The Current State of Civil Protection: A Critique

[Deleted member 38]

said it a million times and im gonna say it until the cows come home

there's very clearly a toxic few in positions of power that are very, very clearly causing more trouble than they're worth and are actively perpetuating the mentalities that are sending this fucking server down the shitter

i dont care if you have a good pop
i dont care if people seem to keep getting on cus S2K FUCKYEAH LETS GOOOO!!!!
i dont care if you think the place is gonna last as it is

you're wrong

these mentalities have been here since day 1 and have only continued to fester and it's fucking objectively stupid that they haven't been solved yet

it's plain and fucking simple;

'is x person in position of x power objectively caring about everybody's enjoyment and not JUST their faction/friends' enjoyment?'

'no? get rid of them.'
'yes? fucking brilliant.'

its not complicated
its not hard to tell who the bad apples are

this server will die if you do not have the balls to replace them

the fact that i harped on about these issues so early on and was shouted down from multiple angles is beyond fucking disappointing. of all iterations of nebulous i was so unfathomably confident that this one would go down the right path, i was so confident that the previous iterations' dickheads would improve (and they did, for a while), i was generally confident that this wouldn't be a repeat

and what's killing me is knowing that if you just got rid of these toxic ass motherfuckers who keep peddling the shit mentalities, then you'd be right on the road to recovery and the server would be paradise again

 

[Cindy]

feel like pure shit just want my previous iteration archives back

yeah why the fuck were they hidden and why was the thread asking for them back locked without any word

makes me really glad i pulled any writing i needed out of there long ago, can only imagine how goddamn obnoxious that is for others

 

[shad]

don't wanna come in here and be a cunt but when the instant god forbid you're the leader of a faction who gets NLR'd and immediately starts calling people in staff chat retards to then ragequit the server it's kinda fucking ridiculous

'staff asssisted base with ooc protection'

'stat boosts'

post either of these qualms into the thesaurus and the alternative word is combine base but that's perfectly alright, get real

i'm sick of this 'HRRR S2K VICTORY OVER EVERYTHING ELSE' mentality dude, drove me away from the fucking server for a whole ass map lol

thats all i wish to vent, i go sleep now

gn

 

[Deleted member 38]

faction leaders, idfc if that's rebel fac leads or combine fac leads, should have stakes in both sides/show that they're actively invested in the other side's enjoyment and that should be a fuckin prerequisite to even being given that position

the reason the trident era was so well coordinated between rebels n combine oocly is because i loved givin combine something cool to do and @Numbers loved givin rebels something cool to do, we unanimously enjoyed providing the opposing side fun and so we planned things in ways that made it fun for both sides

that is not happening here. its plain and simple.

 

[Deleted member 7969]

should have stakes in both sides/show that they're actively invested in the other side's enjoyment

this is why i love @Appetite Ruining Kebab
😘

 

[Deleted member 38]

this is why i love @Appetite Ruining Kebab
😘

yeah no legit i dont know how the fuck ark stays sane

hes an example of somebody busting his ass this entire iteration to try and make shit fun for both sides and its like a mature child trying to get their parents to stop arguing over something retarded

i mean that as a compliment

 

[Deleted member 7969]

yeah no legit i dont know how the fuck ark stays sane

hes an example of somebody busting his ass this entire iteration to try and make shit fun for both sides and its like a mature child trying to get their parents to stop arguing over something retarded

i mean that as a compliment

The entire team should aspire to model themselves after ARK. But I'm getting side tracked here.

I believe that the Combine faction requires a thorough restructuring in its leadership. Some people need to be removed, whether they like it or not.

 

[Rabid]

May as well say it how it is;

The server was built using people who were risky to include but gave the in-the-moment stability to get shit off the ground. There's absolutely no trouble admitting that. Was it a good idea? Probably not long term, but it worked.

Equally, yes, it's an open secret that some rebels are just as bad if not worse than cops for competitive bullshit and poor attitudes. Its been true for years and its true now. Its the whole reason that people insulated themselves with others who couldn't dispute they saw the same thing.

I know how it happens. Look at @Numbers who went from busting his ass to make things fun in C8 to being miserable and seeing red flags everywhere by the time of Finus.

But what is currently being done - letting these frustrated cop leads and RL's exist to lash out and rage - undoes any sympathy people have for the rest of the faction and that's not fair on the other cops who sit in silence about it. It's not fair for the rebels or staff who have to deal with these people either.

Like @Subeh said, the Trident era was a great example of the two sides working together at the top level to make it fun and fair for everyone. When one side becomes convinced that's not on the cards, you get Finus. Or what's happening here.

 

[ShaVeK HaChaver 814]

said it a million times and im gonna say it until the cows come home

there's very clearly a toxic few in positions of power that are very, very clearly causing more trouble than they're worth and are actively perpetuating the mentalities that are sending this fucking server down the shitter

i dont care if you have a good pop
i dont care if people seem to keep getting on cus S2K FUCKYEAH LETS GOOOO!!!!
i dont care if you think the place is gonna last as it is

you're wrong

these mentalities have been here since day 1 and have only continued to fester and it's fucking objectively stupid that they haven't been solved yet

it's plain and fucking simple;

'is x person in position of x power objectively caring about everybody's enjoyment and not JUST their faction/friends' enjoyment?'

'no? get rid of them.'
'yes? fucking brilliant.'

its not complicated
its not hard to tell who the bad apples are

this server will die if you do not have the balls to replace them

the fact that i harped on about these issues so early on and was shouted down from multiple angles is beyond fucking disappointing. of all iterations of nebulous i was so unfathomably confident that this one would go down the right path, i was so confident that the previous iterations' dickheads would improve (and they did, for a while), i was generally confident that this wouldn't be a repeat

and what's killing me is knowing that if you just got rid of these toxic ass motherfuckers who keep peddling the shit mentalities, then you'd be right on the road to recovery and the server would be paradise again

I've remained extremely reserved on the question of ejecting people from their leadership positions, I've always sought that by some way they'd, at the very least begrudgingly, work to improve their factions and set out to reform them in light of the iteration we are cultivating and not iterations that have already passed. Having said that, it seems with the treatment I've received and the utter neglect of basically anything stated in this thread, always shrugged off, even to the day I resigned I was met with dismissiveness and hostility on the part of CP leadership, I can do nothing but suggest that we at least CONSIDER removing the bad apples. With utmost hesitance, I encourage a reshuffling of roles, and I back what Subeh says. People need to go.

 

[Deleted member 38]

I've remained extremely reserved on the question of ejecting people from their leadership positions, I've always sought that by some way they'd, at the very least begrudgingly, work to improve their factions and set out to reform them in light of the iteration we are cultivating and not iterations that have already passed. Having said that, it seems with the treatment I've received and the utter neglect of basically anything stated in this thread, always shrugged off, even to the day I resigned I was met with dismissiveness and hostility on the part of CP leadership, I can do nothing but suggest that we at least CONSIDER removing the bad apples. With utmost hesitance, I encourage a reshuffling of roles, and I back what Subeh says. People need to go.

they were like this last iteration

they haven't changed

they won't change

 

[ShaVeK HaChaver 814]

they were like this last iteration

they haven't changed

they won't change

I hate when people jump on forcing others to resign, it should always come as a final option, a worst case scenario solution. I remember someone wanted Numbers to be removed as Server Director after his extended LOA and I found it a repulsive idea. I can't stress how much I hate to suggest it, but it needs to be suggested. I know what you mean. I know the way these things work. And I know another generation of players will be molded by bad apples if they don't question them enough. To perpetuate that in fencesitting would implicate me. I agree. Change won't come unless leadership is reshuffled.

 

[Deleted member 38]

I hate when people jump on forcing others to resign, it should always come as a final option, a worst case scenario solution. I remember someone wanted Numbers to be removed as Server Director after his extended LOA and I found it a repulsive idea. I can't stress how much I hate to suggest it, but it needs to be suggested. I know what you mean. I know the way these things work. And I know another generation of players will be molded by bad apples if they don't question them enough. To perpetuate that in fencesitting would implicate me. I agree. Change won't come unless leadership is reshuffled.

i dunno maybe im just jaded old roleplayer or some shit but ive always been of the mind that if somebody clearly isn't factoring in others' enjoyment then they just shouldn't be there

its a position of power on a video game not a real life job, its not like stripping that title away from them is going to put them into financial shambles

 

[Rabid]

they were like this last iteration

they haven't changed

they won't change

They won't change because they don't see an outlet for themselves that isn't doing what they do with people they feel see the issues as they do.

They can't voice them here for fear of being mocked or dismissed for the faction they're in. They feel as if they're hyperfixated on for trying to maintain a sense of "danger" on the server whereas the other side gets nothing in response to their actions. They feel like there's little point in being open and upfront about any of this because, when you're up against the majority who calls anything you do as destroying roleplay - why bother?

I'm not saying this is the right view to have but I can understand why it happens. It happened to Numbers, it happened to me. It can feel like you're yelling at a wall. Rebels do it too for the same reasons.

So regardless of what happens here, I think the whole picture needs addressing so you dont get more people who fall into these mindsets because they think half of the community thinks they're a closet roleplay destroyer for being a cop.

 

[ShaVeK HaChaver 814]

i dunno maybe im just jaded old roleplayer or some shit but ive always been of the mind that if somebody clearly isn't factoring in others' enjoyment then they just shouldn't be there

its a position of power on a video game not a real life job, its not like stripping that title away from them is going to put them into financial shambles

I've rarely seen any attempts from CP leadership to factor the enjoyment of the other side into their decisions. Not once have I seen it brought up or something that could have potentially arisen from considering it. Perhaps I'm biased and my memory is selective, but I'm hard-pressed to recall if this ever happened to a point where its ramifications were felt. Always felt like certain type of players with a certain type of mindset were trying to push the faction forward on that front with little sympathy from the up-above.

 

[Deleted member 38]

I've rarely seen any attempts from CP leadership to factor the enjoyment of the other side into their decisions. Not once have I seen it brought up or something that could have potentially arisen from considering it. Perhaps I'm biased and my memory is selective, but I'm hard-pressed to recall if this ever happened to a point where its ramifications were felt. Always felt like certain type of players with a certain type of mindset were trying to push the faction forward on that front with little sympathy from the up-above.

no i certainly don't recall any instances either

if anything i recall several instances of them going out of their way to ruin rebel enjoyment

 

[ShaVeK HaChaver 814]

no i certainly don't recall any instances either

if anything i recall several instances of them going out of their way to ruin rebel enjoyment

Any time I've entered RL I've been subject to the worst gangsterism for interrupting their echo chamber, it gets extremely grating when most of the people there do not at all want to engage with you in good faith.

 

[shad]

this can all be traced back to bowering's 'combine are unfair' thread

 

['77 East]

So regardless of what happens here, I think the whole picture needs addressing so you dont get more people who fall into these mindsets because they think half of the community thinks they're a closet roleplay destroyer for being a cop.

That died down in past iterations ever since most of the cop mantra changed from the old mentalities.
Guess what became a problem when the old mentalities started getting heavily promoted again by the current problem-causers in charge?

A top-heavy hierarchy promoting the problems that are killing it due to it's leadership, no surprise there.

 

[constantdisplay]

just going to echo the sentiment and reiterate what ive probably said before but can we please just give leadership positions to ppl who've consistently shown they can create, promote and encourage good roleplay already this iteration - instead of just s2k mains who seem to undermine it at every opportunity. its rly depressing to see people who've actually made the faction and this iteration intriguing get treated like shit

 

[Deleted member 38]

just going to echo the sentiment and reiterate what ive probably said before but can we please just give leadership positions to ppl who've consistently shown they can create, promote and encourage good roleplay already this iteration - instead of just s2k mains who seem to undermine it at every opportunity. its rly depressing to see people who've actually made the faction and this iteration intriguing get treated like shit

its an easy ass fix man

the culprits are obvious, there's people who can replace them

decision's just gotta be made