History Thread

[ddæ]

tfw civilization could come back in trillions of years and they'll never know we even existed

 

[Bronn]

 

[Dr Heckyll]

75 years ago today

 

[aperson]

 

[Mancom37]

 

[Deleted member 1381]

 

[Black Rain (1989)]

 

[aperson]

 

[Yurivw]

Just two days late.

 

[Ond]

Washington D.C the morning after the assassination of Martin Luther King, 5 April 1968

View over Berlin ca.1920

Moulin Rouge nightclub at Montmarte, Paris, 1923

At the end of the parade of honour on the 40th anniversary of the GDR, an NVA soldier embraces a woman. Berlin, 1989. Her bag is particularly funny

A column of Finnish StuG III Ausf. Gs salute in passing, 1943​

 

[Husky]

Spoiler: big images

Guess who this is, what they did, and how they died.

Hint: Era is roughly 800-850 AD. It's also not a specific historical figure.

Since no one wants to guess:

This is an elite warrior from the Vikings during a raid in England. The elite soldier is female (as elite viking infantry was female to male at a ratio of 3:1) and was killed with an Axe. The warrior lost as she was right handed and her opponant was left handed. She parried the first attack which struck her from the top down causing minor injury and lost to the second strike hitting her in the skull again. Female warriors were called Shield maidans and they proved effective against British infantry as the British were incredibly religious and beleived women were physically and mentally inferiour, so when fighting the elite infantry they would under-estimate their performance. The view that clerics and religious Britons at the time could be easily comparable to how ISIS would view the YPJ.

 

[Ond]

Since no one wants to guess:

This is an elite warrior from the Vikings during a raid in England. The elite soldier is female (as elite viking infantry was female to male at a ratio of 3:1) and was killed with an Axe. The warrior lost as she was right handed and her opponant was left handed. She parried the first attack which struck her from the top down causing minor injury and lost to the second strike hitting her in the skull again. Female warriors were called Shield maidans and they proved effective against British infantry as the British were incredibly religious and beleived women were physically and mentally inferiour, so when fighting the elite infantry they would under-estimate their performance. The view that clerics and religious Britons at the time could be easily comparable to how ISIS would view the YPJ.

I cant believe you just compared brits and vikings to isis and the ypj

You really always find a way to involve your views

 

[Husky]

I cant believe you just compared brits and vikings to isis and the ypj

You really always find a way to involve your views

Their views are incredibly similair. The brits at the time hated women and really despised anything about them and treated them as such. The example is one that's recent and very similair and is more well known about.

 

[Mancom37]

I sure do remember when the YPJ raided churches and mosques to steal all the valuables, enslave the monks and possibly even burn a few villages.

That 1:3 ratio is delusional, and contradicts the necessities of a full crew of men to operate a boat. At best we could say that they were part of the casualities in the sacking of viking settlements but not as some "elite-warrior".

 

[Husky]

I sure do remember when the YPJ raided churches and mosques to steal all the valuables, enslave the monks and possibly even burn a few villages.

This was in regards to the perception. You're stretching the analogy to something I never intended it to be stretched too.

That 1:3 ratio is delusional, and contradicts the necessities of a full crew of men to operate a boat. At best we could say that they were part of the casualities in the sacking of viking settlements but not as some "elite-warrior".

This implies women who are elite warriors can't use a paddle.

 

[Mancom37]

This was in regards to the perception. You're stretching the analogy to something I never intended it to be stretched too.


This implies women who are elite warriors can't use a paddle.

Then don't make a completely erroneous analogy so we don't have to show you how dumb it is.

And yes women who are supposed to be "elite warriors" won't have the same strenght or muscle mass to operate those paddles (let me remind you this isn't a normal boat) at the same rate and efficiency as a male crew would have. They were used as colonials to settle the lands and could possibly fight in desperate situations. But where the hell are you taking this idea that they were elite warriors?

 

[Husky]

"elite warriors" won't have the same strenght or muscle mass to operate those paddles

LMFAO

 

[Mancom37]

LMFAO

Do you think they are some roided up full on soviet weight-lifters or something? If I can spend the same amount of resources feeding and preparing a man which will have a clear advantage in combat against a woman with the same trainning and preparation then why should I go with her?

 

[Ond]

reminder

 

[Mancom37]

reminder

I am not denying the partecipation of women in warfare, they occupied many positions and you had Byzantine princesses that did write about military treaties or figures like the Maid of Orleans. Women till the introduction of gunpowder had a very limited role in warfare, should we avoid talking about it then? Of course not, I had the pleasure to briefly watch a call for papers in my Uni about that topic and there is much to study about women and warfare.

Different cultures have different aproaches to the inclusion of women in combat roles, it was the evolution of warfare that allowed a bigger inclusion of women in wars.