Suggestion Don't allow voice identification for criminal activity

[avralwobniar]

Having to change your voice gets straining. There's other means of identifying people like fingerprinting, style, vehicle choice, behavior and so on. I could change my entire outfit, wearing multiple layers of masks but someone will still immediately identify me as Rusty.

I don't want to change my voice to sound like a chipmunk or use a voice changer to have a chance at getting away with criminal activity.

 

[Straven]

I really, really, really agree with this. The Negan voice is already pretty bad on my vocals, but having to switch to Barry the Chipmunk if I ever want to commit a crime anonymously legitimately kills me lmao

 

[MaXenzie]

man i agree with this on principle because i have a distinctly deep kinda baritone voice that i imagine is fairly recognizable, which would ruin the point of my character swapping makeup and clothing to make himself look different when he's changing alters

but this'll be a bitch to enforce

 

[boots]

I thought it was already like this but I must be mistaken. Yeah voice identification definitely shouldn't be a thing. It's only possible because there's 20-30 of us playing and we all know each other very well. IC the city has millions of residents so it'd be ridiculous to voice match.

 

[boots]

I really, really, really agree with this. The Negan voice is already pretty bad on my vocals, but having to switch to Barry the Chipmunk if I ever want to commit a crime anonymously legitimately kills me lmao

And you still instantly get recognised lol

 

[MaXenzie]

also voice recognition will make 0 sense when we start regularly playing different characters

i don't want @Straven getting accused of smelling of piss on any non-negan character

 

[RedMan]

First and foremost, I have been scrutinising and correcting Officers that are quick to identify people solely on the basis of their voice. This was a far more common occurance during the first few days of the server but it seems to have drastically declined as time went on. Especially since there are now other methods of identifying a person that doesn't require a convoluted process. Voice recognition should remain a factor in identifying someone, but it should not be a sole factor in the matter.

This is why Silver Sun did not end up receiving a speeding ticket from me the other day. Despite claiming to be Silver Sun with the obvious correlating voice. The lack of documentation from his behalf meant I had to establish his identity some other way which I chose to try to do through a mugshot comparison. Unluckily for me he sped off as he refused to remove his helmet.

also voice recognition will make 0 sense when we start regularly playing different characters

Playing multiple characters with voice chat is always going to be difficult without some form of a voice modulator. However, it is also equally a very good way to teach the playerbase not to assume someone's identity solely on the basis of a voice. If anything, I think this is a good opportunity to play tricks on the PD and try to have your other characters take the fall for your crimes. Since the PD has to prove the involvement of your character beyond a reasonable doubt; a voice alone is not sufficient proof for an arrest.

With that being said. I completely disagree with the rule proposition. Especially with the existing limited pool of evidence that already largely favours the criminals.

 

[Deleted member 442]

I think voice recognition should be fine as part of a preliminary investigation, a smole piece of circumstantial evidence, but it shouldn't be the sole, singular, definitive piece of evidence in the courtroom.

It's going to be impossible to expect people, especially cops, to just casually ignore someone with a helmet on that sounds like Negan and just move on without digging further. It'd be perfectly reasonable to use the sound of their voice in the process of a stop to get someone to ID themselves, take their helmet or mask off and go from there and further expand the investigation.

 

[MaXenzie]

honestly the main issue is its just impossible from a mental standpoint to block out someone's voice and not immediately recognize who they are (at least, who they are OOCly)

you'd have to purposefully play incredibly dumb and obtuse to not have a ballpark estimate on who someone is from their voice, especially if you've spoken with them several times prior

 

[avralwobniar]

I think voice recognition should be fine as part of a preliminary investigation, a smole piece of circumstantial evidence, but it shouldn't be the sole, singular, definitive piece of evidence in the courtroom.

It's going to be impossible to expect people, especially cops, to just casually ignore someone with a helmet on that sounds like Negan and just move on without digging further. It'd be perfectly reasonable to use the sound of their voice in the process of a stop to get someone to ID themselves, take their helmet or mask off and go from there and further expand the investigation.

Then it's as easy as a cop asking someone to take off a helmet every time there's a stop, and searching for that person after they obviously flee from said stop solely because they heard their voice

honestly the main issue is its just impossible from a mental standpoint to block out someone's voice and not immediately recognize who they are (at least, who they are OOCly)

you'd have to purposefully play incredibly dumb and obtuse to not have a ballpark estimate on who someone is from their voice, especially if you've spoken with them several times prior

I think it's about mutual respect. if someone is clearly not dressed how they normally would and they're masked, if you slip up and call out their name then just backtrack. there's plenty of other ways to gather evidence against somebody, the voice shouldn't even have to be a consideration if there's a proper investigation

 

[MaXenzie]

i will say tho

if you're purposefully putting on a distinct voice for your character and want to remain anonymous, at least act like the character is doing a shitty attempt to mask their own voice

there's only 1 guy with a slurring southern drawl and a propensity to call people cocksuckers and i'd know him from a mile out

 

[avralwobniar]

keep in mind this suggestion is only while you are in commission of a crime, or immediately after you've committed said crime

 

[Deleted member 442]

Then it's as easy as a cop asking someone to take off a helmet every time there's a stop, and searching for that person after they obviously flee from said stop solely because they heard their voice

Okay but that's kinda how investigations go though. You need to allow police to follow breadcrumbs to build investigations and you can't expect them to just ignore the fact your traffic stop subject sounds like someone wanted for attempted murder. They should be allowed to pursue that further, take the mask or helmet off, and ID themselves. What happens there is up to the person under detainment.

Besides, how long until we have blatant crims just "nuh-uh"ing the PD every time they've been stopped for a warrant and start pulling out "you can't voice id me bro" to make the whole situation weird.

It's perfectly valid supporting evidence, but not good sole evidence.

 

[Mute]

ive had some people mistake me for another char when wearing a helmet or mask right off the bat (regardless of outfit, even when i dont play that character lol) or go "hey you sound familiar" when playing different chars, and i do my best to make distinct voices but theres a limit to that. i think people jump to trying to id someone or assuming someone is "this guy" too quickly

i dont really mind cause i wasnt doing anything illegal nor do i really care if i get arrested, or even if someone is doing it as a nod to another char you play, but if i was doing some high profile shit in the future with really high stakes id get annoyed if people id'd me cause of it and i really dont wanna bother with voicechangers

if someone pulls up on me dressed head to toe in some random outfit and a mask, even if i KNOW who they are on a ooc level i still go "who tf are you"

just make it a rule, icly its a city with millions of people not counting the surrounding wilderness and towns and we're regular people not voice actors

 

[MaXenzie]

i'll use an example for what i'd personally do, using negan as the culprit for the scene since I've met him a few times

i pull over negan because he's just finished murdering 3 people or whatever
lets say negan's wearing a full disguise with a mask, change of clothes, etc
if he talks and i recognize the voice, i might go "hey negan"
my character knowing (assuming) it's negan should not be admissable
i should still have to take him in, get his ID, fingerprint him, etc, before i can actually confirm it is him
so while my character might prematurely be aware of who the culprit is, it's not admissable since "yeah i can recognize the voice" obviously won't pass in any court system

similarly, warrants or anything similar shouldn't be able to be called solely on voice alone, even if you're OOCly (or ICly) aware of who did the crime because you heard them talking

if i (my character) is straight-up wrong and I've just confused the voices, it can just be played off as some folks in los santos sounding similar

 

[Chezburger]

i pull over negan because he's just finished murdering 3 people or whatever

Who else but Negan?

 

[Blackquill]

I just put on a mask and talk into my sleeve if I want to make it clear that you're not supposed to fully understand what I sound like

I don't have the vocal chords to do diff voices, too much. I change up how I speak sometimes but that's it

 

[alex]

ive had some people mistake me for another char when wearing a helmet or mask right off the bat (regardless of outfit, even when i dont play that character lol) or go "hey you sound familiar" when playing different chars, and i do my best to make distinct voices but theres a limit to that. i think people jump to trying to id someone or assuming someone is "this guy" too quickly

i dont really mind cause i wasnt doing anything illegal nor do i really care if i get arrested, or even if someone is doing it as a nod to another char you play, but if i was doing some high profile shit in the future with really high stakes id get annoyed if people id'd me cause of it and i really dont wanna bother with voicechangers

if someone pulls up on me dressed head to toe in some random outfit and a mask, even if i KNOW who they are on a ooc level i still go "who tf are you"

just make it a rule, icly its a city with millions of people not counting the surrounding wilderness and towns and we're regular people not voice actors

I may have done it to you accidentally, sometimes you don't know someone else has another character but it's never meant in any harm; definitely worth just saying "nah you might be mistaking me for my cousin" and it gets the message across, at least to me that I fucked up

 

[RedMan]

Then it's as easy as a cop asking someone to take off a helmet every time there's a stop, and searching for that person after they obviously flee from said stop solely because they heard their voice

I think you are forgetting the part where the majority of traffic stops involve the person recklessly evading the cops in a sports car that performs better than the average police cruiser. In the example I listed, the individual refused to take off their helmet in order to prove their identity before speeding off. It is not as simple as you would like to think.

there's plenty of other ways to gather evidence against somebody, the voice shouldn't even have to be a consideration if there's a proper investigation

Not really no. You can question and interrogate people, but for the most part, you cannot confirm their story due to lack of physical evidence, the lack of witnesees, or simply because they are known to be a compulsive liar. Physical evidence is also quite limited and it is incredibly difficult to link evidence to people without intruding on the liberties of an individual. It is not as simple as you aim to protray it.

 

[MaXenzie]

honestly i take hiding my char's identity pretty seriously so this rule would totally concern me

even then i'd rather the onus be on the person hiding rather than literally everyone else in the server to deal with the issue of the guy's voice

a rule that goes "everyone must do this" is far more invasive than just having the 1 relevant person lay in the bed they've made and lay low

i thought i had a warrant out for me, so i got a change of clothes, makeup, hair, etc
and knowing i couldn't do a voice, i just kept my chatter to a minimum