Suggestion Don't allow voice identification for criminal activity

[avralwobniar]

Having to change your voice gets straining. There's other means of identifying people like fingerprinting, style, vehicle choice, behavior and so on. I could change my entire outfit, wearing multiple layers of masks but someone will still immediately identify me as Rusty.

I don't want to change my voice to sound like a chipmunk or use a voice changer to have a chance at getting away with criminal activity.

 

[MaXenzie]

so "you are not allowed to investigate or prosecute someone solely from recognizing their voice, nor is their voice admissable as evidence"

 

[boots]

To add, not being able to identifying somebody off their voice should apply to everybody as well, not just police, specifically if they are concealing their face.

I keep going to burger shot and the manager and workers instantly recognising me off my voice, which I'll admit is pretty annoying considering the police who's literal job is to perform investigations can't decipher it, but a manager at a fast food place somehow is a way better detective than the entirety of the MRPD just doesn't really make sense.

I can change my clothing to look 20 different ways but I say one word and I'm instantly being interrogated and being snitched to police, which brings forward the same problem. Like how can they recognise my voice to kick me off premises but the cops can't use it to solve a series of serious crimes.

I know me and a few others don't play off voice at all play and pretend we don't know who people are even if they are our closest friends/people we know until we are able to see their face, then we recognise them.

 

[alex]

To add, not being able to identifying somebody off their voice should apply to everybody as well, not just police, specifically if they are concealing their face.

I keep going to burger shot and the manager and workers instantly recognising me off my voice, which I'll admit is pretty annoying considering the police who's literal job is to perform investigations can't decipher it, but a manager at a fast food place somehow is a way better detective than the entirety of the MRPD just doesn't really make sense.

I think you're approaching this from the wrong angle, it's much less harmful for a civilian to recognise you in this way than it is for a cop.

 

[Blackquill]

I know me and a few others don't play off voice at all play and pretend we don't know who people are even if they are our closest friends/people we know until we are able to see their face, then we recognise them.

Again it's like @avralwobniar said, for me it's a respect thing. Even if I oocly know who I'm talking to, if I can see they are putting in effort to conceal themselves then I think it's reasonable to 'play dumb'. The only time I recognise people's voices is if they come up to me and recognise me first

like if some dude with a voice I recognise comes up to me and acts like I know them then I think it's fair to say I recognise them back.

 

[Deleted member 442]

Would you want to do something major, that lands you with a big investigation and on-the-run roleplay only to have it end because someone used your voice characteristics to detain and arrest you? Even though you'd put a lot of effort into concealing yourself?

maybe it's just me but i think part of that concealing effort should include not being around members of the pd and just keeping my voice down or stay quiet if they were next to me at a stop light. when nathan was wanted i was protesting every notion of attracting the slightest bit of attention of the pd where i wouldn't even want to try and see if fighting locals pinged the PD.

i still hold that if a cop is standing behind me at burger shot and i'm wanted and i don't leave or i speak that it will put me at risk of being stopped and possibly identified, that's a risk a criminal should be willingly accepting when they're going out getting warrants.

but that's just me i guess 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

i mean if they're making an EFFORT to hide their voice, that's one thing, but if i'm not making an effort to try why should i expect the cops to just ignore that 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

 

[MaXenzie]

personally it’s cuntish to sandbag someone who’s clearly covering up their voice

if I hear a huge throat clear and then a posh accent from not-negan, even if it’s literally just negan in his normal negan clothes, I will assume it’s a particularly rich homeless man.

 

[alex]

personally it’s cuntish to sandbag someone who’s clearly covering up their voice

if I hear a huge throat clear and then a posh accent from not-negan, even if it’s literally just negan in his normal negan clothes, I will assume it’s a particularly rich homeless man.

I don't think you're understanding the problem that you're going to run into once both/all of your available voice range has been used and remembered.

 

[Deleted member 442]

I don't think you're understanding the problem that you're going to run into once both/all of your available voice range has been used and remembered.

i think it's the effort that should count.

but if there's no effort you're kinda asking for that long dick of the law to stamp you on the face.

 

[MaXenzie]

I don't think you're understanding the problem that you're going to run into once both/all of your available voice range has been used and remembered.

Nah I mean moreso that if I can tell the person is trying to hide their voice, even if I recognize it, the fact they’re “covering it up” takes precedent

people should play dumb when able, police are where RP ends for many players, arrests shouldn’t happen if able

 

[Deleted member 906]

I'm staying out of this, I cannot talk without being instantly recognised due to my monotone, deep TinPan voice.

But I do try by putting on accents

 

[boots]

I think you're approaching this from the wrong angle, it's much less harmful for a civilian to recognise you in this way than it is for a cop.

From my experience they tell the cops that I'm Silver just from my voice alone and they come and and press me and I get arrested

 

[alex]

I'm staying out of this, I cannot talk without being instantly recognised due to my monotone, deep TinPan voice

That's exactly part of the problem here, even I recognise it's you and am uncertain which character it is.

 

[alex]

From my experience they tell the cops that I'm Silver just from my voice alone and they come and and press me and I get arrested

Yeah, I understand that part. I at least think it's much less worse when a civilian does it than a cop being able to, it's much much less common for civilians.

Not saying it's entirely discounted, civilians have much less power over the situation and their word doesn't mean any more than yours.

 

[boots]

I'm staying out of this, I cannot talk without being instantly recognised due to my monotone, deep TinPan voice.

But I do try by putting on accents

Every time I see you I always ask "who dis" because of your mask and getups. I wish it was universally what everybody did

 

[Deleted member 906]

That's exactly part of the problem here, even I recognise it's you and am uncertain which character it is.

From here on out my three characters will have three different voice accents

Charlie will be my normal voice.

Rodney will be a Texan sounding southerner. Pretty good at that I think, not heard any complaints.

And my third will be something entirely different which will be a secret.

 

[alex]

From here on out my three characters will have three different manners.

Charlie will be my normal voice.

Rodney will be a Texan sounding southerner. Pretty good at that I think, not heard any complaints.

And my third will be something entirely different which will be a secret.

Well either way if I mistake you, just say "nah I think you're mistaking me for my cousin" or something and it conveys it really quickly

 

[MaXenzie]

From my experience they tell the cops that I'm Silver just from my voice alone and they come and and press me and I get arrested

yeah they could do with adding a “voice can’t be the sole evidence/reason for pursuing a lead” rule

remember that police cannot force you to do shit you don’t want to do, nor search you, without a warrant or justification to arrest you

and a burgershot employee going “I saw a criminal” is WAY too vague a justification lmao

 

[metropaun]

as someone who speaks with a pretty distinct accent (and stutters lmao) its hard not to know who i am, even on my 2 (soon 3) chars people think im the criminal they saw 3 hours earlier but i just say that it was my brothers nephew and we just sound similiar and it works usually

 

[RedMan]

From my experience they tell the cops that I'm Silver just from my voice alone and they come and and press me and I get arrested

Each time I am met with a witness telling me a specific name, I try to probe their brain to see what they did to identity the individual and figure out what actually occured. It is a very time consuming process. By the end of the day, we cannot arrest someone solely on the basis of a name and those that dare to arrest an individual on such basis risks the court favouring the defendant due to the lack of proper evidence to suggest the culprit was the defendant. The name its self could be a basis for an investigation, but it is unlikely anything concrete would surface without physical evidence on scene.

yeah they could do with adding a “voice can’t be the sole evidence/reason for pursuing a lead” rule

This should not be a rule at all as this will breed the toxic cop v robber mentality. It is best to leave the matter unregulated from an OOCly perspective and let the ICly consequences apply to the individual that sought to pursue such arrest. Especially since court seems to be around the corner given the fact lawyer applications have opened up.

 

[Deleted member 906]

Each time I am met with a witness telling me a specific name, I try to probe their brain to see what they did to identity the individual and figure out what actually occured. It is a very time consuming process. By the end of the day, we cannot arrest someone solely on the basis of a name and those that dare to arrest an individual on such basis risks the court favouring the defendant due to the lack of proper evidence to suggest the culprit was the defendant. The name its self could be a basis for an investigation, but it is unlikely anything concrete would surface without physical evidence on scene.

This should not be a rule at all as this will breed the toxic cop v robber mentality. It is best to leave the matter unregulated from an OOCly perspective and let the ICly consequences apply to the individual that sought to pursue such arrest. Especially since court seems to be around the corner given the fact lawyer applications have opened up.

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