Denied Give Admin/Event staff more access to stuff

[Lewis!]

Suggestion: Allow Staff/event staff access to some shit only SAs can do. I'm sure there's more but I'm initially thinking about the ability to play music, create custom items and spawn artillery bombardments.

Why: More functionality for events really. I think due to the nature of the server the risk of these things being abused is extremely minimal with our current systems in place, especially custom items. Just make a log of them as we do with weapon spawns to prevent overuse, etc.

Bombardments and music are fairly self-explanatory I literally just want to be able to use them without having to ask an SA.

 

[Deleted member 7576]

music

@playsong [youtube link]
or a raw mp3 file link like the ones you use for streamradio

 

[avralwobniar]

ive seen a surplus of abuse in the last 2 years alone that should warrant commands being even more restricted
its definitely fine however its setup now

 

[Lewis!]

@playsong [youtube link]
or a raw mp3 file link like the ones you use for streamradio

cool, just custom event items and bombs for me then

 

[OneClassyBanana]

I think due to the nature of the server the risk of these things being abused is extremely minimal with our current systems in place, especially custom items.

<:')

 

[Mic15000]

I think due to the nature of the server the risk of these things being abused is extremely minimal with our current systems in place, especially custom items. Just make a log of them as we do with weapon spawns to prevent overuse, etc.

 

[Alexander The Great]

custom items are definitely a good idea
scripts are worthless anyway, but beneficial as well for character moments

why restrict the creative minds and imagination of THOSE THAT IS THEIR TASK? these tools are only a plus
i think it'll do only good :)

abuse can always be handled
no need to lockdown creativity from fear

 

['77 East]

ive seen a surplus of abuse in the last 2 years alone that should warrant commands being even more restricted
its definitely fine however its setup now

and how many of them were staff to begin with?

big words from you, man

 

[avralwobniar]

and how many of them were staff to begin with?

sorta my point. if staff are going to do that with the powers already granted, its a retarded move to give more people the same commands

 

[Deleted member 5367]

Suggestion: Allow Staff/event staff access to some shit only SAs can do. I'm sure there's more but I'm initially thinking about the ability to play music, create custom items and spawn artillery bombardments.

Why: More functionality for events really. I think due to the nature of the server the risk of these things being abused is extremely minimal with our current systems in place, especially custom items. Just make a log of them as we do with weapon spawns to prevent overuse, etc.

Bombardments and music are fairly self-explanatory I literally just want to be able to use them without having to ask an SA.

on god i feel like i have more than i could ever need

if i needed a custom item i could just ask an SA, we can also play music, spawn 3d radios for sound effects, etc.

it's not often i say this but i feel fully accommodated in everything i could possibly want to do on event rank. it's actually ridiculous, especially comparing with how i used to feel regarding events in the past. i feel like i can let my mind flow free into things

 

[Mic15000]

big words from you, man

Almost like I speak from experience, how about you make an abuse report and then I'll ban myself

 

['77 East]

Almost like I speak from experience, how about you make an abuse report and then I'll ban myself

I just find it outright ironic that your little stunt fucked over the entire event team for years, while you were happy to retain your full SA rank and abilities for something you and @Uranio gleefully did.

Was that shotgun worth it?

 

[Mic15000]

I just find it outright ironic that your little stunt fucked over the entire event team for years, while you were happy to retain your full SA rank and abilities for something you and @Uranio gleefully did.

Was that shotgun worth it?

lol you know nothing, I'm not hiding anything and I have no memory of what shotgun you are talking about. Go on refresh my memory give it to the public since apparently I have done many sins to the event team and fucked it over.

Glad to have this chat over dm's too since I'm very curious how much of a cunt you might be :)

are your attempts at zingers worth it?

 

[Blackquill]

I just find it outright ironic that your little stunt fucked over the entire event team for years, while you were happy to retain your full SA rank and abilities for something you and @Uranio gleefully did.

Was that shotgun worth it?

East mate no offence but if anyone is gonna be bringing up dumb shit done in the past, it shouldn't be you

Mic/Uranio made mistakes in the past but as far as I am aware they never did anything malicious, no need to act like that.

 

['77 East]

I'm not hiding anything

I have no memory of what shotgun you are talking about

One is not the other.

As for the shotgun, I'm referring to the SPAS-12 you both spawned in knowing it wouldn't be allowed, which proceeded to trash our permissions for the next few years while you lead the event team, just like slim's grenade incident. Key difference is, you were both staff, we lost a great chunk of our abilities even within our temporary rank and you both got to keep your permissions just fine.

And before you deny it, I had headstaff tell me in the ts3 that it was a factor. Now you're throwing up youtube clips like you didn't just neuter the whole team for years.

Glad to have this chat over dm's too

Why would it need to be? It was public, this suggestion is public, both about event permissions.

If you seriously think your own abuse should be private, maybe you should rethink the tag. Own up to it, if Eridian could then you can.

I'm very curious how much of a cunt you might be :)

Dunno what to say, talk to pumpkin?

All this ":))))" smarmy emotional bait is beneath you, give up the rank if you're going to sound like a discount comrade revan.

are your attempts at zingers worth it?

If I wanted to use zingers there's far better ways for it, just feel that the cheap clip in this suggestion is pathetic coming from you, in retrospect of what you and @Uranio did.

as far as I am aware they never did anything malicious, no need to act like that.

I dunno man, might not have been on the same level as pumpkin or eridian but they knew what they were doing, and it backfired on the team - they got off scott free pretty much. It was enough that slim's grenade debacle foisted us with needing SA's to watch us, the shotgun was the final nail on the coffin then.

We had our own rank gimped for little reason, to the point even vital tools got taken.

no offence but if anyone is gonna be bringing up dumb shit done in the past, it shouldn't be you

Might have done some odd things but I've never spawned in shit despite being told point blank prior not to.

People had been kicked in the teeth over it before, they knew what they were doing before it happened, and we all copped shit from it.

 

[Deleted member 5367]

east trying not to ruin a thread challenge (impossible)

 

['77 East]

east trying not to ruin a thread challenge (impossible)

Yeah, ruining a whole thread about the very topic of permissions & abuse:

due to the nature of the server the risk of these things being abused is extremely minimal

Meanwhile we have someone laughing it off, despite their own prior offence having forced us to contend with a rank that didn't even let us set materials or precision tool props for months. /charsetname was gone, model changing was gone, pretty much everything besides observer stripped off.

There's something deeply concerning about the above when they kept their SA privileges and we got canned to the point we couldn't run the most basic of events without an admin around. I know you are familiar with how that fared.

 

[Rabid]

Yeah, ruining a whole thread about the very topic of permissions & abuse:


Meanwhile we have someone laughing it off, despite their own prior offence having forced us to contend with a rank that didn't even let us set materials or precision tool props for months. /charsetname was gone, model changing was gone, pretty much everything besides observer stripped off.

There's something deeply concerning about the above when they kept their SA privileges and we got canned to the point we couldn't run the most basic of events without an admin around. I know you are familiar with how that fared.

The shotgun wasn't even the final straw tbf, Alex had already gimped the event rank before that ever happened because of multiple incidents of event staff abusing things in pretty serious ways and the decision was made to change the rank rather than simply nuke some of the best event makers the community had over it and ban them from event-making.

And mind you it wasn't an isolated incident with one or two people. It's stuff that made spawning one shotgun comical. Those people still make events now.

Finally, Mic and Uranio got barred from event making at the time anyway and they were known for good shit back then.

 

['77 East]

Alex had already gimped the event rank before that

Yes, but we were trying to get those issues reverted; the fact our own two event team leads went ahead with that stupid situation made it worse (we still had model altering access before then, among others) and barred us from getting our abilities altered back until this very iteration.

That's two iterations of helix where we got screwed over as a result.

because of multiple incidents of event staff abusing things in pretty serious ways

And in those cases, the people involved got ostracized, permanently banned or lost their whitelists and/or characters.

None of which happened here.

Those people still make events now.

They weren't the event leads, though.

Some of those people, as you call them, weren't even anything more than hired help who got given the rank to assist event team members. World of difference between them and actual senior staff members who shared double-duty running the team.

Finally, Mic and Uranio got barred from event making at the time anyway

You mean, still kept their event lead slots and SA access until @Baker showed up and they left from inactivity.

No announcement, no "sorry, we fucked up guys", we had to find out secondhand on teamspeak that our own leads deliberately tried to go behind headstaff's backs over one fucking shotgun script and as a result our remaining commands got fucked so hard we couldn't run basic events without needing an operator+ on constant hand.

 

[Rabid]

Yes, but we were trying to get those issues reverted; the fact our own two event team leads went ahead with that stupid situation made it worse (we still had model altering access before then, among others) and barred us from getting our abilities altered back until this very iteration.

That's two iterations of helix where we got screwed over as a result.

I think you've - understandably - gotten the cause and effect wrong. What Uranio and Mic did didn't get the permissions changed, the only thing it did was make Alex pull the trigger on doing it sooner as he was already looking into things.

There'd been a lot more abuse of what permissions the event rank still had at the time, including shit like spawning entity ammo (which was never meant to work with non-entity weapons because it doesn't get removed on death on its own with script guns so you don't nuke ammo piles), changing models/bodygroups to premium-only stuff for non-event characters, etc.

So the choice he had was "literally nuke most of Neb's top event-team event makers and cause a mass outcry over it because they'd all done shit" or "Let them keep making events but restrict them with even tighter oversight" - and he chose the latter.

And in those cases, the people involved got ostracized, permanently banned or lost their whitelists and/or characters.

None of which happened here.

I'd say them losing their ability to make events, the only reason they enjoyed being event team leads, which directly caused them both to quit was punishment enough, imo?

And again, even the people who did get punished harsher and arguably did more for longer are back making events now. I don't really see the problem at this point given it was 4 years ago.