Suggestion Make Food/Drinks Decay

[Deleted member 442]

Food and drinks should decay over time so that people can't just sit on a bunch of food and drink over a period of time.

Food and drinks not decaying kind of fucks over Burger Shot because they can just buy a bunch of food in bulk, from either the 24/7, or from Burger Shot and not go back for prolonged periods of time. As a result there's less foot traffic to Burger Shot, which doesn't exactly incentivize them to keep people working there.

 

[boots]

Did you not see that video of the woman who left a burger and chips in her closet for 24 years and it was still edible?

 

[Northgate]

I personally find this cool to have down the line, but since Hunger / Thirst doesn't persist yet, it might not be super high just yet. But it'd be cool to have nonetheless since once food and all persists, you can't just grab the Burger Shot burger from 3 months ago and munch down, and have to actually buy new food

 

[Cineron]

I don't think the current economy is there yet for this but in the future I would have no problem with this suggestion.

 

[RedMan]

Did you not see that video of the woman who left a burger and chips in her closet for 24 years and it was still edible?

Supermarket food should last long and provide a small quantity like it does now. On the contrary, you would have fast food or restaurant food that is quick to decay and expire, but it is most certainly filling.

 

[MaXenzie]

yeah, hunger and thirst not actually mattering makes this suggestion moot for the time being

right now you can just sorta nap and recover completely

 

[Deleted member 442]

I don't think the current economy is there yet for this but in the future I would have no problem with this suggestion.

Getting money circulating about is an incredibly important part of any economic system though.

We're like what, two weeks in now? I've seen some people with owned cars. I think the idea that there isn't enough money to go around to sustain this is unfounded. Maybe I'm wrong and there really isn't that much money among the players as a collective, which begs to ask is this a self-inflicted issue?

Ultimately I think it would be better for the city economy if places like Burger Shot and Hayes had more reason to be open. Hayes might come in time as more people buy more cars, but this is a suggestion that could help Burger Shot today, and other restaurants in the future.

right now you can just sorta nap and recover completely

I wish this would get fixed. And if people are deliberately doing this to refresh their hunger/thirst that kinda smells like exploiting.

yeah, hunger and thirst not actually mattering makes this suggestion moot for the time being

Hunger and thirst should matter more :\ Either damage to health, or fucking with your vision, or both.

 

[MaXenzie]

Maybe I'm wrong and there really isn't that much money among the players as a collective, which begs to ask is this a self-inflicted issue?

i mean as far as im aware you can't "make" money purely through RP or player interaction, since that's just transferring money from one player to another if they pay you

the only way i know to actually inject more money into the economy is to do mechanical jobs a-la chop shop or delivery driving, since NPCs generate money out of the ether

in terms of gross profits I've been doing chop shops nearly every day and i still only have $6,000
which is nowhere near enough to buy any of the worthwhile cars which afaik go for like $30,000~

chop shops earn you about $600-$1,000 with about $800 being the average
it takes about 38 consecutive chops to earn enough money to buy a decent car

i think a lot of players are starving for cash atm, and I'm one of the few that consistently works to make money

 

[Deleted member 442]

i mean as far as im aware you can't "make" money purely through RP or player interaction, since that's just transferring money from one player to another if they pay you

Which, I mean is a more ideal thing than money going into the void at the 24/7 y'know? But let me bring you to my next idear down below.

the only way i know to actually inject more money into the economy is to do mechanical jobs a-la chop shop or delivery driving, since NPCs generate money out of the ether

You're not wrong, which is why I mentioned there might be a self-inflicted issue. Most people (understandably) want to hang out and socialize, have more dialogue driven stuff, and do silly goober stuff than run these jobs, especially delivery and garbage.

Another solution I was thinking of making, and IDK if I mentioned it to Alex before, but I'd like for some of these businesses, like restaurants and mechanic shops, to give you receipts or paystubs you can bring to the vault to exchange, or that it adds extra money to your welfare check. This money is automatically added to the welfare check, or you get some sort of pay stub whenever you make a sale / finish a repair. If we implement some sort of check in system for player-run jobs, could also think about granting that on a timer?

Nothing wild, but at least brings what you get up to par with some of the T0 crime and the starter job so there's an additional incentive to work the current player run businesses.

in terms of gross profits I've been doing chop shops nearly every day and i still only have $6,000
which is nowhere near enough to buy any of the worthwhile cars which afaik go for like $30,000~

chop shops earn you about $600-$1,000 with about $800 being the average
it takes about 38 consecutive chops to earn enough money to buy a decent car

i'm at like 20k ish and i only occasionally chop :(

i think a lot of players are starving for cash atm, and I'm one of the few that consistently works to make money

speak for yourself, i just yoinked 4k off someone earlier :^)

but tbh this also partially self-inflicted to some degree, at least those who are doing crime, y'know? Get slapped with fines, go into debt, keep doing crime, get into more debt, cycle repeats itself. Negan is the poster child for debt.


Ultimately I want to see tweaks to things that would benefit civilian, less crime focused stuff the most rn, y'know? I think civilian RP is the bedrock of any RP server and we should be aggressive in applying changes or implementing new features to further promote and encourage that.

 

[MaXenzie]

You're not wrong, which is why I mentioned there might be a self-inflicted issue. Most people (understandably) want to hang out and socialize, have more dialogue driven stuff, and do silly goober stuff than run these jobs, especially delivery and garbage.

i mean alex seems pretty against grinding but tbh for the folks that want their character to have material wealth (or, yknow, a car), they basically have to knuckle down and do tedious back-and-forth driving for 12+ hours (assuming a chop job takes about 30 minutes)

the change to make it so everyone gets paid the full amount for sharing jobs is good, but its not any better than doing the job on your own, unless you're willing to collate money as a group for one person to have a car, or gun, etc

Another solution I was thinking of making, and IDK if I mentioned it to Alex before, but I'd like for some of these businesses, like restaurants and mechanic shops, to give you receipts or paystubs you can bring to the vault to exchange, or that it adds extra money to your welfare check. This money is automatically added to the welfare check, or you get some sort of pay stub whenever you make a sale / finish a repair.

add this to the damn taxi job lmao

currently the best way i know to make money is to just keep doing chop jobs since its relatively risk free, has minimal reliance on luck, and still has SOME chance for player interaction (like the police spotting you)

unlike hunting which is just 4 hours of utter silence

but tbh this also partially self-inflicted to some degree, at least those who are doing crime, y'know? Get slapped with fines, go into debt, keep doing crime, get into more debt, cycle repeats itself. Negan is the poster child for debt.

yeah but crime is the best way to make money lmao

rn you can just take all the money out of the bank, put it in the motel where no one can access it, and then do the crimes that pay solely cash-in-hand

even negan, who's now $100,000 in debt, could still make money, completely ignoring the debt, by working solely through cash instead of credit

 

[Deleted member 442]

i mean alex seems pretty against grinding but tbh for the folks that want their character to have material wealth (or, yknow, a car), they basically have to knuckle down and do tedious back-and-forth driving for 12+ hours (assuming a chop job takes about 30 minutes)

the change to make it so everyone gets paid the full amount for sharing jobs is good, but its not any better than doing the job on your own, unless you're willing to collate money as a group for one person to have a car, or gun, etc



add this to the damn taxi job lmao

currently the best way i know to make money is to just keep doing chop jobs since its relatively risk free, has minimal reliance on luck, and still has SOME chance for player interaction (like the police spotting you)

unlike hunting which is just 4 hours of utter silence



yeah but crime is the best way to make money lmao

rn you can just take all the money out of the bank, put it in the motel where no one can access it, and then do the crimes that pay solely cash-in-hand

even negan, who's now $100,000 in debt, could still make money, completely ignoring the debt, by working solely through cash instead of credit

Yeah tbh I do find it a little unfortunate how quick and easy it is to make money through t0 crime but civilian stuff is a miserable slog in comparison. I love hanging out at Hayes, but I need more customers even if it's just to have people to talk to while I work on their stuff lol.

It's not that I want criminal payouts to get nerfed or restricted, but rather civilian payouts to get buffed. I think state subsidized pay is an ideal solution to increase the pay for at least the player-driven business employees without taking too much out of the players frequenting those establishments.

I hope there's an actual downside to being in debt tho. I'm not in debt, I wouldn't know. IDK if there's a car or property asset fee/tax I don't know about yet, but that's one example of a potential risk to being in debt: being unable to access purchased properties. Maybe PDM can only take from the bank and not your pocket? (I actually have no idea if you can pay with cash at PDM) Maybe increased prison time that can't be worked down with jobs that chips away at your debt?

 

[MaXenzie]

I hope there's an actual downside to being in debt tho.

the downside is that you can no longer work legal jobs, because afaik they pay directly to your bank account, which means they're instantly eaten in order to pay off the debt

your stimulus check from the bank also becomes useless, and any shop that pays exclusively from the bank can no longer be used

if you're in a large amount of debt, you're basically forced into committing crime, or else you're just locked to having 0 money because other avenues of payment are immediately mulched by the debt

 

[Deleted member 442]

the downside is that you can no longer work legal jobs, because afaik they pay directly to your bank account, which means they're instantly eaten in order to pay off the debt

I think they pay cash like the others too? Maybe I’m wrong or misremembering? Idk I got tired of those the first week as soon as I found out about chopping.

if you're in a large amount of debt, you're basically forced into committing crime, or else you're just locked to having 0 money because other avenues of payment are immediately mulched by the debt

Yeah I don’t know what the best solution is here, but I am not going to lie to you. I am fond of the idea of being balls deep in debt to be a crushing experience where it is difficult to survive.

Like being unable to access your owned properties beyond the pink cage motel, can’t access your own cars, can’t buy vehicles, and mandatory additional jail time that has to be served each time you’re arrested to chip at the debt.

Hardcore mode, dawg. I like it hard, reeeeeallll hard.

 

[Cineron]

the downside is that you can no longer work legal jobs, because afaik they pay directly to your bank account, which means they're instantly eaten in order to pay off the debt

your stimulus check from the bank also becomes useless, and any shop that pays exclusively from the bank can no longer be used

if you're in a large amount of debt, you're basically forced into committing crime, or else you're just locked to having 0 money because other avenues of payment are immediately mulched by the debt

Legal jobs like delivery pay you cash to your inventory. They don't pay directly to your bank unless you deposit.

 

[MaXenzie]

I think they pay cash like the others too? Maybe I’m wrong or misremembering? Idk I got tired of those the first week as soon as I found out about chopping.


Yeah I don’t know what the best solution is here, but I am not going to lie to you. I am fond of the idea of being balls deep in debt to be a crushing experience where it is difficult to survive.

Like being unable to access your owned properties beyond the pink cage motel, can’t access your own cars, can’t buy vehicles, and mandatory additional jail time that has to be served each time you’re arrested to chip at the debt.

Hardcore mode, dawg. I like it hard, reeeeeallll hard.

i'd like an option to wipe the slate clean, especially when it gets to the point that you're in 6 figures of debt and your only avenue of making money is, at best, $800/hr

like at that point you're basically locked out of the economy entirely, and one of the largest deterrents against committing crimes (fines) are utterly useless against you

negan can commit as many acts of terrorism, murder, and kidnapping as he likes, because worst case scenario, he's in jail for about 3 IRL hours with an extra 30 grand of debt that he's never going to pay off anyway

 

[Deleted member 442]

i'd like an option to wipe the slate clean, especially when it gets to the point that you're in 6 figures of debt and your only avenue of making money is, at best, $800/hr

This needs to come at a great cost though to the character, like prolonged prison time. Because if you just give people some sort of free bankruptcy pass when they’re in debt then they’re just going to stack up a bunch of debt doing dumb shit then bing bong bankruptcy!

like at that point you're basically locked out of the economy entirely,

Self inflicted tho, let’s be honest.

one of the largest deterrents against committing crimes (fines) are utterly useless against you

PD can always, and probably should, just add more time and not even bother with a fine after a certain point tbh.

 

[MaXenzie]

This needs to come at a great cost though to the character, like prolonged prison time. Because if you just give people some sort of free bankruptcy pass when they’re in debt then they’re just going to stack up a bunch of debt doing dumb shit then bing bong bankruptcy!



Self inflicted tho, let’s be honest.



PD can always, and probably should, just add more time and not even bother with a fine after a certain point tbh.

not keen on people being unable to play the game for half a day or longer

99% of crimes in the server are resolved in 30 minutes or less via a trip to EMS

i carry no more than what i can make from a single chop job on me at any point so getting mugged is never a major setback, so any monetary crimes against me are pretty useless

i don't want "first degree murder" being resolved by EMS in a few minutes, while the guy who committed it is sent away for 3 IRL days or some shit

 

[Deleted member 442]

not keen on people being unable to play the game for half a day or longer

99% of crimes in the server are resolved in 30 minutes or less via a trip to EMS

IDK what you want though. You say you want an option to wipe the slate clean but you want that to come freely? Because that just can't happen, otherwise we're just going to encourage negan-antics but on a much greater scale. After all, what's the real risk if you have a free pass out of debt?

If someone's in a well of shit and debt, there just simply shouldn't be a free pass out of that, there needs to be a price that is paid for that wiped slate. Someone 100k+ in debt should be serving a substantial prison sentence if they want bankruptcy to bring them back to $0.

i don't want "first degree murder" being resolved by EMS in a few minutes, while the guy who committed it is sent away for 3 IRL days or some shit

well i mean first degree murder doesn't really "get resolved" by the EMS beyond bringing the corpse to the morgue...the character is permanently killed at that point. A scene where a character actually dies should also come with heavy penalty to the person who did it. whether 3 days is the magic number, i don't know, but your character should probably be royally fucked in the ass for perma'ing someone, that's some HUT level shit.

murder in the first degree was probably not the best example to use.

also we're getting completely off topic from the original suggestion btw. all this bankruptcy stuff should be turned into its own thread.

 

[Cineron]

I think while we are on the topic of debt there comes a time where a server developer may intervene with an amount that is appropriate to a consensus of people. This is only my opinion, however it stands to reason that the community or player can suggest ways that are proactive to mitigate this. If it was me I wouldn't let anyone's balance fall below 0 OOCly. At that point it would be on the individual to find a means to regain positive cash flow.

 

[Deleted member 442]

If it was me I wouldn't let anyone's balance fall below 0 OOCly.

Okay but once again, where is the deterrent if you're just going to sit at $0 and never go negative? They're doing it to themselves knowing the risk.

a server developer may intervene with an amount that is appropriate to a consensus of people.

Devs shouldn't be intervening in a character making the willing, deliberate choice to land in debt. It's not like Negan (as the best example here) fallen prey to a predatory loan, they went out and committed, of their own volition, a bunch of crimes. They did it to themselves. Devs shouldn't intervene in that unless there was blatant OOC wrongdoing (like police/judicial corruption).

But once again, this is spiraling way out of bounds of the OP. Debt/Bankruptcy should be a whole different thread.