Suggestion Rework Rogue Cops

['77 East]

Characters with an ex-CMB background do exist, but naturally don't start out with what an ex-cop would actually have.

Characters who go rogue as a cop get the benefits of dragging what they can with them; with the exception that they are clearly marked for death from either side.

Yes, some of the aspects could do with a change but loosening too much means mass-defections that would result in another Finus.

Half-Life 2 has an ACTIVE precedent against this, in the form of Barney, who is literally a Rogue Cop. Man was a CP for years, and not a single rebel shot him even when he was engaged in combat, dressed as a CP.

Barney was an active undercover agent for almost a decade & known to pretty much everyone when the Uprising kicked off by leading people into combat, your random hypothetical double-cross agent likely flipped after a few weeks and is barely known to anyone when they cross over.

You can't expect me to believe that rogues should have immunity and then ignore the lynchings/manhunts that real life has shown (paris, berlin, yugoslavia, saigon) happen to occupying/enemy forces that collapse.

 

[Señor Jaggles]

Yes, some of the aspects could do with a change but loosening too much means mass-defections that would result in another Finus.

This is the main reason rules are the way they are.

I don't see the need for a change honestly, it's a risk you take for literally switching sides.

But, I think we can try and find out some ways to sort it out however, ways to ease the rules in a way they somehow allow people to go rogue without it killing the faction.

 

[STUCK IN A CAKE]

This is the main reason rules are the way they are.

I don't see the need for a change honestly, it's a risk you take for literally switching sides.

But, I think we can try and find out some ways to sort it out however, ways to ease the rules in a way they somehow allow people to go rogue without it killing the faction.

Make the first week of defection really dangerous and then once the initial "Heat" has dissipated you go back to normal reb rules but with a chance to still be captured and executed by overwatch

 

[Señor Jaggles]

Make the first week of defection really dangerous and then once the initial "Heat" has dissipated you go back to normal reb rules but with a chance to still be captured and executed by overwatch

So for instance if you're captured by Overwatch like any other rebel is, instead of NLR or Stalker, you get PK or Stalker?

Something like that? Only on capture ofc

 

[STUCK IN A CAKE]

So for instance if you're captured by Overwatch like any other rebel is, instead of NLR or Stalker, you get PK or Stalker?

Something like that? Only on capture ofc

Yeah, being a recent defectee (after the initial escape and evasion) and being found again gets you termenated by stab teams or straight up stalkerised as apposed to the usual treatment of prisoners

Like if they manage to live long enough to avoid being killed by either side and convince the rebels to let them help, by all means their 24/7 pk risk should be liberated

 

['77 East]

Make the first week of defection really dangerous and then once the initial "Heat" has dissipated you go back to normal reb rules but with a chance to still be captured and executed by overwatch

Should be the first week of playing the character post-defection, stop people from escaping & flagging off for that entire time.

 

[STUCK IN A CAKE]

Should be the first week of playing the character post-defection, stop people from escaping & flagging off for that entire time.

Naturally.

 

[Ond]

what're you going to do if the defectee just decides that they aren't going to play for a week?

or if they can't?

 

[MaXenzie]

what're you going to do if the defectee just decides that they aren't going to play for a week?

or if they can't?

i dunno i find the "play for a week to earn your safety" thing a bit naff

rebels have clearly shown their morals align squarely with whoever provides them scripts

X-RAY was a fucking serial killer who bombed people wantonly and committed random acts of murder literally for shits and giggles and no one wanted to put him down because he knew how to get drugs

i hold 0 weight in any moralistic argument a rebel player wants to make, especially about rogue cops, when i KNOW they would, if possible, collude with a serial killer if it got them free meth scripts

 

[Komchan]

what're you going to do if the defectee just decides that they aren't going to play for a week?

or if they can't?

Ban them, loopholing.

I remember stuff about 'hitmen' on old neb that would SOLELY log on to perform PKs and never else, preventing retribution.

If you do that kind of thing, you should be banned, and your character immediately PK'd for loopholing/trying to exploit the situation. It's an extremely scummy thing to do.

 

[MaXenzie]

Ban them, loopholing.

I remember stuff about 'hitmen' on old neb that would SOLELY log on to perform PKs and never else, preventing retribution.

If you do that kind of thing, you should be banned, and your character immediately PK'd for loopholing/trying to exploit the situation. It's an extremely scummy thing to do.

you cant ban someone for not playing the game

the punishment is just the thing they were doing anyway lmao

 

[Andrew]

pk risk creates the danger of needing to surround yourself with a group immediately or be ousted
makes it require more work to stay alive instead of just freely hopping the fence and filling up rebelrp with cop suits

 

[Simman102]

no one wanted to put him down because he knew how to get drugs

I reckon it might have something to do with him being an event character that spawned crates of loot in

 

[MaXenzie]

I reckon it might have something to do with him being an event character that spawned crates of loot in

the crates were all booby-trapped and killed whoever opened them lmfao

 

[Raiden]

X-RAY was a fucking serial killer who bombed people wantonly and committed random acts of murder literally for shits and giggles and no one wanted to put him down because he knew how to get drugs

This is not true.

 

[Ond]

Ban them, loopholing.

I remember stuff about 'hitmen' on old neb that would SOLELY log on to perform PKs and never else, preventing retribution.

If you do that kind of thing, you should be banned, and your character immediately PK'd for loopholing/trying to exploit the situation. It's an extremely scummy thing to do.

so if i go rogue and have to leave for work related reasons 4 days later, i should be banned for loopholing?

 

[Komchan]

you cant ban someone for not playing the game

the punishment is just the thing they were doing anyway lmao

well, it's a ban and the character gets pk'd. Removes the reason for doing it, as your character was just banned lol

 

[MaXenzie]

This is not true.

yes it is

i was in his fucking den
with him
where he showed me a live stream of all his bombs locations
and said
to my face
"i kill people for a live-stream of 3 viewers"

and then john doe crushed him with a computer because he'd just admitted that he literally got off on the idea of randomly murdering and maiming people

 

[Komchan]

so if i go rogue and have to leave for work related reasons 4 days later, i should be banned for loopholing?

obviously circumstances apply, and if it's 4 days later you're obviously not trying to loophole. I'm referring to if you just disappear immediately after for a week the moment you go rouge etc

 

[Raiden]

yes it is

i was in his fucking den
with him
where he showed me a live stream of all his bombs locations
and said
to my face
"i kill people for a live-stream of 3 viewers"

This is not true in the sense that a bounty was put out on him and after a short while he was killed, by me.