Suggestion STALKER Models

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Suggestion:

After a conversation on discord with a few other people, including Gary (who I won't tag cos rules), we concluded that it's probably a good idea to try and strive beyond the classical black gasmask suit, regardless of it's OOC connotations now, but purely to look for something better to be the highest "rebel" armor script.

I'm going to suggest a model pack and give my personal pros and cons based on what I can tell from at least eyeballing them in my own GMOD singleplayer game, basing it on how they would tie into the server from a lore perspective but also from a gameplay perspective.

When looking for models to suggest, I tried to keep a few things in mind:

1. The size of the model pack. Nobody wants to be downloading an excessive amount of content for no good reason. I've tried to ensure that the models I am suggestings are of a certain download space requirement in order to not fill people's hard-drives.

2. The general aesthetic. Most "armor" mods consist of military uniforms and exact replicas of what some countries special forces look like. For me, they don't tie into the lore of half life (with one exception, see below) and generally look out of place compared to the rest of the setting and models that we have in game. So as well as the general look, how well they will play along with other models has also been considered when making this suggestion.

3. The quality of the model. During my research some models whilst good in concept showed to be a little low in quality - even the addon page looked hastily set up and there just wasn't that layer of gloss on it that you expect from a decent sized model pack. Therefore, any models that in my view just looked generally "not HD enough", which also ties into the general aesthetic of the server, haven't been considered here.

4. Inclusivity. Yes, a weird one, but as it stands the majority of armor suits available for resistance members are male-biased, in the sense that equipping them will turn a female player model into a male one, which looks odd to say the least, especially when they unequip them and they reduce in size. Any new models made for additional armor should at the very least look like it's able to be worn by female characters.

5. Avoiding BULKY models. This is just a flavour thing, but models that look a bit too wide and are a bit too tall have been excluded from these suggestions. There's a certain height and width requirement that I can say exactly, but you just *know* when you look at a model. Resistance armor suits shouldn't be bigger then an OTA.


So I'm going to show you these models and where I see there positives and negatives:


Based off the STALKER Game franchise, I see this as the pro's and con's:

Pros:
- Low file size in comparison to most addon models available.
- Despite being from another game, I believe it fits in well in comparison to other models on the server and will suit the theme well. The models look "scrappy" and sort of "thrown together" almost what you'd expect from the crude craftsmanship of the resistance.
- A good size ratio, not too big or too tall. Slim and sleek like most of the models on the server are.
- Lots of customization available with different bodygroups.
- Some of the models have cute little Ukranian flags on them which just boosts the likelihood of them being lore-friendly.
- Player hand models work (I think)
- Maskless options


Cons:
- If you play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it might be a little immersion breaking.
- Lack of diversity in the models (there are no female options)
- Might be some animation issues, not 100% confirmed however.


There may be some cons I'm missing but please do let me know.
 

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Or we just buff the resistance suit to have the same stats as the gas mask suit? Buff the kevlar vest + hidden variant as well.

IDK man seeing STALKER models running around strays wayyyy too far away from HL2. Same argument can be made for the dumbass Division suits we have. God I hate those.

We don't use gas as often anymore. The gas mask suit was mainly a thing to keep new players away from the sewers to appease rebel circlejerks (and the fact it would completely drain the city-side of people).

Remove the gas suits, buff the resistance suit. Change the model of the Resistance suit to a variant of the citizen uniform so customisation is possible.
 
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AHHH NU CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE *TAKES A SWIG FROM HIS VODKA* VADIM HAVE I EVER TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT ONE TIME I FUCKED YOUR MOM IN THE ASS HOLE??? XAXAXAXAXAXA

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IDK man seeing STALKER models running around strays wayyyy too far away from HL2.
I don't think it does, personally. I think given the current suits on the server they fit in relatively well.
 

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I don't think it does, personally. I think given the current suits on the server they fit in relatively well.
no it really doesn't

- stalker models are as outdated as the blacksuit model itself, which can't keep up with the models we currently use
- anyone who has ever played (or seen) STALKER will recognize the models

what do you aim to get out of it anyway? more variety? different stats? last time i checked it's either post-soviet futurism suits, exo-suits and some guy with a fucking hoodie and leather trenchcoat

don't get me started on the fact they all pretty much have the same face, alas i suppose you are suggesting gas mask variants.

i digress, Gary has expressed his complete disdain for tampering with the crafting recipes. adding in new stuff that need new recipes that are bAlANceEd will make Gary say no, definitely. and if he says yes, then i will eat my shit stained poopy underwear
 

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you can disagree with me @Raiden but i expect you to tell me why you want these models to replace the blacksuit and why these models in particular. deadline is t-minus 2 hours.
 

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The exo-skeleton stuff can be bodygrouped out.
you can disagree with me @Raiden but i expect you to tell me why you want these models to replace the blacksuit and why these models in particular. deadline is t-minus 2 hours.
I never said replace blacksuits, I said work along side blacksuits.

I believe they fit as they work well alongside the general scavenger-esque vibe of current suits on the server, With some fine tuning they can work well, you just need to disconnect your bias based on seeing them in STALKER RP and the game Stalker imo.
 
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The exo-skeleton stuff can be bodygrouped out.

I never said replace blacksuits, I said work along side blacksuits.

I believe they fit as they work well alongside the general scavenger-esque vibe of current suits on the server, With some fine tuning they can work well, you just need to disconnect your bias based on seeing them in STALKER RP and the game Stalker imo.
they are STALKER models from the game STALKER and i would unironically say "yes, raiden, i like these models" if they were from stalker 2 (not released yet)

look at the deep fried models, count the polygons on one hand and then tell me again that you really really want these models
 

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they are STALKER models from the game STALKER and i would unironically say "yes, raiden, i like these models" if they were from stalker 2 (not released yet)

look at the deep fried models, count the polygons on one hand and then tell me again that you really really want these models
I really want these models.

They have the exact same polys as any other suit we have on the server and they're the same quality.
 
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I really want these models.

They have the exact same polys as any other suit we have on the server and they're the same quality.
THEN WE SHOULD GET RID OF ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THEM.

WHY CAN WE HAVE OTHER LOW POLY MODELS?

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE ONE I TRULY LOVE?

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GREENBEAN, MY BELOVED.
 

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THEN WE SHOULD GET RID OF ALL OF THEM BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THEM.

WHY CAN WE HAVE OTHER LOW POLY MODELS?

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE ONE I TRULY LOVE?

E460F446FB821602A5924B1FF83C727A013916DE


GREENBEAN, MY BELOVED.
You're changing the topic of the thread a little but I personally believe these models suit well and tie in with the lore if used appropriately and the only reason I've seen not to use them is because they are from STALKER, which I mean bro, we use lots of different assets from other games on the server to tie into one setting, it's not a stretch to use these as well.
 

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You're changing the topic of the thread a little but I personally believe these models suit well and tie in with the lore if used appropriately and the only reason I've seen not to use them is because they are from STALKER, which I mean bro, we use lots of different assets from other games on the server to tie into one setting, it's not a stretch to use these as well.
YOU KNOW WHAT? i agree, +support
 
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I really want these models.

They have the exact same polys as any other suit we have on the server and they're the same quality.
only a fraction of the pack would end up used regardless, considering the stalker patches
if someone spends the time removing them then its w/e. the aesthetic still seems too vastly differently for me
these models suit well and tie in with the lore if used appropriately
what do you mean by using them appropriately