The Current State of Civil Protection: A Critique

['77 East]

For example, the purpose and intentions of the armistice was never properly elaborated to the Combine faction.

It was adequately explained to three rank leaders.

Coincidentally, these three RL's never did their job. They did not relay their orders, they did not explain anything to the faction, they instead chose to obfuscate everything, threaten us and then try to repeatedly undermine the armistice through shooting insurgents right as the treaty was being signed and leading deliberate provocations.

Attempts at communicating and explaining your prerogative in-game usually came in a form of an iron fist.

We always communicated with cops, it only stopped after the treaty violations & the coup occurred. It was apparent by then that the leadership was entrenched too deep in spite and that there would be no trust offered, even after we repeatedly made sacrifices such as redirecting vital supplies & funds to them, neutered the city protocols and turned a blind eye to outright chatter of treason claiming the city would be better off if we all died.

Furthermore, there was a case where the member of the Overwatch Council was issuing orders to the garrison, and the first response was to blatantly ignore our requests on elaborating where this source of the prerogative derived from.

it stank with conspiracy and collaboration with the enemy.

You are truly a fool to believe that when even I repeatedly pointed out to your own command that the armistice was a faux to uncover identities, bide time for deployment for chemical weapons and restore transhuman facilities that could be converted for mass transhumanisation/stalkerisation after a successful mass-snatch campaign.

Most of that never happened, why? They deliberately fucked it up with violations to the point the thing was in name only.

The garrison even attempted to take the matters into their own hands by attempting to arrest Mearshimer as a result of the aforementioned factors, and that was met with the aggressive response which resulted in the quelling of the coup d'état and a public execution of those responsible which followed afterwards.

Yes, because the genius decision to arrest the head of the council for... doing absolutely nothing but standing around and acting as political tie-broker and voice on the radio was justified? That's fucking crock, this kind of pure stupidity was why the 'quelling' was so violent, and why I wish we'd killed far more of you.

A coup d'etat against a regime like this is never going to be met with "oh, you were just doing your jobs. silly you!". Especially when it's lead by the same fucking guy who SHOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE during the VERY SIGNING of the armistice in an excuse to derail it; lied repeatedly about it, colluded with other rank leaders with it, was under active investigation by myself and @Toriwarior30055 for it, and then, y'know, TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.

Goddamn, and you think that's not worthy of a bare-bones response? That the guards should have gone "lol you alright? you're acting silly" when he walked in there with six armed cops saying his intention to shoot councillors? Something he literally attempted right before that pulse ball went through the doorway?

Did you ever read what the hell you wrote?

It's great that you blame the execution on us too when transhuman command did it without our say so, even they were sick of your shit.

This is a mere misprotrayal of the situation which was reshaped to fit the narritive of the thread.

No, YOU are misreporting things. I was there on both sides, I was there during the discussions, and if you want to talk pure shit about it then we can gladly throw up the pages of logs showing that the rank leaders were responsible for their own malicious failures.

We can gladly tag the staff members who watched as your RL's weaseled their way into fucking it all up, out of little more than spite and the same retarded talking point falsehoods you spelled out. "muh collaboration with the insurgency" - get bent, seriously.

Same bullshit as the clean wehrmacht myth, pretending that cops did no wrong and their command just 'coincidentally' planned a non-violent arrest demonstration that got massacred through no fault of their own. Brandon's Ghandi and we're all evil Hitlerites.

To top it all off, Mearsheimer had a nervous breakdown and just sat in his office. It's pure fucking poetry that you blame him for everything gone wrong.

 

[Appetite Ruining Kebab]

Mfers who think that's unrealistic haven't seen British weather tbh

that clip wouldnt exist in british weather because nobody would say "The weather's pretty nice right now, actually."

 

[Deleted member 7576]

It was adequately explained to three rank leaders.

Coincidentally, these three RL's never did their job. They did not relay their orders, they did not explain anything to the faction, they instead chose to obfuscate everything, threaten us and then try to repeatedly undermine the armistice through shooting insurgents right as the treaty was being signed and leading deliberate provocations.


We always communicated with cops, it only stopped after the treaty violations & the coup occurred. It was apparent by then that the leadership was entrenched too deep in spite and that there would be no trust offered, even after we repeatedly made sacrifices such as redirecting vital supplies & funds to them, neutered the city protocols and turned a blind eye to outright chatter of treason claiming the city would be better off if we all died.



You are truly a fool to believe that when even I repeatedly pointed out to your own command that the armistice was a faux to uncover identities, bide time for deployment for chemical weapons and restore transhuman facilities that could be converted for mass transhumanisation/stalkerisation after a successful mass-snatch campaign.

Most of that never happened, why? They deliberately fucked it up with violations to the point the thing was in name only.


Yes, because the genius decision to arrest the head of the council for... doing absolutely nothing but standing around and acting as political tie-broker and voice on the radio was justified? That's fucking crock, this kind of pure stupidity was why the 'quelling' was so violent, and why I wish we'd killed far more of you.

A coup d'etat against a regime like this is never going to be met with "oh, you were just doing your jobs. silly you!". Especially when it's lead by the same fucking guy who SHOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE during the VERY SIGNING of the armistice in an excuse to derail it; lied repeatedly about it, colluded with other rank leaders with it, was under active investigation by myself and @Toriwarior30055 for it, and then, y'know, TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.

Goddamn, and you think that's not worthy of a bare-bones response? That the guards should have gone "lol you alright? you're acting silly" when he walked in there with six armed cops saying his intention to shoot councillors? Something he literally attempted right before that pulse ball went through the doorway?

Did you ever read what the hell you wrote?

It's great that you blame the execution on us too when transhuman command did it without our say so, even they were sick of your shit.


No, YOU are misreporting things. I was there on both sides, I was there during the discussions, and if you want to talk pure shit about it then we can gladly throw up the pages of logs showing that the rank leaders were responsible for their own malicious failures.

We can gladly tag the staff members who watched as your RL's weaseled their way into fucking it all up, out of little more than spite and the same retarded talking point falsehoods you spelled out. "muh collaboration with the insurgency" - get bent, seriously.

Same bullshit as the clean wehrmacht myth, pretending that cops did no wrong and their command just 'coincidentally' planned a non-violent arrest demonstration that got massacred through no fault of their own. Brandon's Ghandi and we're all evil Hitlerites.

To top it all off, Mearsheimer had a nervous breakdown and just sat in his office. It's pure fucking poetry that you blame him for everything gone wrong.

you’re getting too heated over a video game

 

[MaXenzie]

you’re getting too heated over a video game

my brother in christ you're the one who volunteered to do unpaid labor for a videogame

 

[Deleted member 7576]

my brother in christ you're the one who volunteered to do unpaid labor for a videogame

don’t see the relevance to a rager

 

['77 East]

don’t see the relevance to a rager

If you sincerely believe that months of whitewashing by the people who fucked up enough to try it out of desperation to save their reputation doesn't deserve to be called out, I ask you why you're a staff member.

I also ask why you're a staff member trying to excuse this shit when you know how bad the rank leader rot is; if SD's can tell me they know how bad it fucking is, you have no excuse.

 

[Deleted member 7576]

If you sincerely believe that months of whitewashing by the people who fucked up enough to try it out of desperation to save their reputation doesn't deserve to be called out, I ask you why you're a staff member.

I also ask why you're a staff member trying to excuse this shit when you know how bad the rank leader rot is; if SD's can tell me they know how bad it fucking is, you have no excuse.

I don’t believe in public shaming, I do stuff behind closed doors, and stuff is being done to combat some of the points raised here and in my discussions with redman who’s been more civil and helpful than this entire thread

Calling people out into a stoning isn’t going to get you results

 

['77 East]

I don’t believe in public shaming, I do stuff behind closed doors, and stuff is being done to combat some of the points raised here and in my discussions with redman who’s been more civil and helpful than this entire thread

Great, remind me how well that worked out in WW3RP?

Did that truly do anything?
Oh, wait, Roosebud had to close it down because the 'closed door' approach lead to faction leads self-censoring rampant abuse, because the S2K mentality became too perversive it simmered into people demanding frequent code and content changes to 'win', because CO's took the same hands-off approach here and it spiraled to shit.

Also, you're an absolute hypocrite because you have tried to go around that 'closed door' approach, on both servers.

Calling people out into a stoning isn’t going to get you results

If it was good enough for being the only thing able to remove Pumpkin, it's good enough for the next line of clowns.

 

[Deleted member 7576]

Also, you're an absolute hypocrite because you have tried to go around that 'closed door' approach, on both servers.

Don’t get what you mean

If it was good enough for being the only thing able to remove Pumpkin, it's good enough for the next line of clowns.

Nice comparison, but this isn’t 2019

 

[Deleted member 7576]

All I’m gonna say is I’m not planning on engaging in a problem-solving discussion on a thread made of spite full of flamebaiters who assume the worst, because DMs and private channels are less of a headache

In relation to the APC incident yesterday, we didn’t know about the funeral, we didn’t know where it was, we didn’t know it was happening

The APC was sent out to take out an AA truck and it coincidentally stumbled upon funeral proceedings. Then it was RPG’d and ordered to retreat for which a combine sniper was deployed to cover its retreat.

The sniper’s spotter spotted another group of funeral-goers and promptly opened fire.

All in all it was purely coincidental, and the responses are based on the fact that people assume every combine player reads the resistance discord, which isn’t the case.

 

[ShaVeK HaChaver 814]

The dismissive reactions of people who half-read my OP in the RL discord chat are telling. The best that comes of whispers is a half-solution half-addressing the problem thanks to a lack of public accountability.

 

['77 East]

In relation to the APC incident yesterday, we didn’t know about the funeral, we didn’t know where it was, we didn’t know it was happening

Why then, pray tell, are you in the rebel discord and able to say that?

It was announced and spread in multiple channels, everyone was tagged.

 

[Ron]

Why then, pray tell, are you in the rebel discord and able to say that?

It was announced and spread in multiple channels, everyone was tagged.

I believe there was a staff PSA that things like that should be posted on the forums in a PSA thread rather than only in a discord. As the person who authorized the APC for the purpose of destroying an AA truck, no, I was not aware of the funeral.

 

[Deleted member 7576]

Why then, pray tell, are you in the rebel discord and able to say that?

It was announced and spread in multiple channels, everyone was tagged.

I am, but I have it muted

I knew that a funeral was going to happen, I just forgot about it, and honestly didn’t expect it to take place out in the open

 

[RedMan]

It was adequately explained to three rank leaders.

Coincidentally, these three RL's never did their job. They did not relay their orders, they did not explain anything to the faction, they instead chose to obfuscate everything, threaten us and then try to repeatedly undermine the armistice through shooting insurgents right as the treaty was being signed and leading deliberate provocations.

There was only one Rank Leader that undermined the Armistice. They shot from a rifle at a Vortigaunt, abandoned the rifle at the scene of the incident surrounded with witnesses, and the investigation concluded quite promptly since no one bothered to investigate it themselves with the exception of @Syntax.

No need to cry over spilt milk because the support of the Council was so low, that no one actually cared or bothered to deal the transgressors that crossed their plans. There were seven people that were involved in the plot, the two of which were Rank Leaders, and a handful of which were bystanders. No one bothered to even interrogate us about the matter.

We always communicated with cops

Not true. The only people that communicated with cops directly were @Pyromaniac and @Keller's characters. I might be missing one or two Councillors who interacted with the garrison, but I forgot their usernames. Just because you talk to a singular character in-character from the faction does not mean the message will echo properly - especially since their intentions and ideas might contradict your intentions and ideas.

You are truly a fool to believe that when even I repeatedly pointed out to your own command that the armistice was a faux to uncover identities, bide time for deployment for chemical weapons and restore transhuman facilities that could be converted for mass transhumanisation/stalkerisation after a successful mass-snatch campaign.

Most of that never happened, why? They deliberately fucked it up with violations to the point the thing was in name only.

Awesome. This is the first time I am hearing about it. Much like how it was surprising to hear about the secret hidden transhumanisation facility underneath the Unity Building that has been infested for the majority of the map. The only message hinting of such facility being the most obscure message within #cp-alerts that was pushed away by other messages.

Yes, because the genius decision to arrest the head of the council for... doing absolutely nothing but standing around and acting as political tie-broker and voice on the radio was justified? That's fucking crock, this kind of pure stupidity was why the 'quelling' was so violent, and why I wish we'd killed far more of you.

A coup d'etat against a regime like this is never going to be met with "oh, you were just doing your jobs. silly you!". Especially when it's lead by the same fucking guy who SHOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE during the VERY SIGNING of the armistice in an excuse to derail it; lied repeatedly about it, colluded with other rank leaders with it, was under active investigation by myself and @Toriwarior30055 for it, and then, y'know, TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT.

Goddamn, and you think that's not worthy of a bare-bones response? That the guards should have gone "lol you alright? you're acting silly" when he walked in there with six armed cops saying his intention to shoot councillors? Something he literally attempted right before that pulse ball went through the doorway?

Did you ever read what the hell you wrote?

It's great that you blame the execution on us too when transhuman command did it without our say so, even they were sick of your shit.

You are clearly missing the point. Incredibly tunnel visioned. Pull a stick out of your ass.
The group was not even led by DEFENDER-6 (the one that shot the Vortigaunt). It was led by DEFENDER-1. It was not even premeditated either. We just happened to gather around in front of the Palace and became rowdy from our own discontent with the Council. DEFENDER-1 simply took advantage of the situation and gave the order to follow him. DEFENDER-6 was a mere participant.

No, YOU are misreporting things. I was there on both sides, I was there during the discussions, and if you want to talk pure shit about it then we can gladly throw up the pages of logs showing that the rank leaders were responsible for their own malicious failures.

We can gladly tag the staff members who watched as your RL's weaseled their way into fucking it all up, out of little more than spite and the same retarded talking point falsehoods you spelled out. "muh collaboration with the insurgency" - get bent, seriously.

Same bullshit as the clean wehrmacht myth, pretending that cops did no wrong and their command just 'coincidentally' planned a non-violent arrest demonstration that got massacred through no fault of their own. Brandon's Ghandi and we're all evil Hitlerites.

To top it all off, Mearsheimer had a nervous breakdown and just sat in his office. It's pure fucking poetry that you blame him for everything gone wrong.

Zzzz...
Once you quit focusing on the OOCly aspect of the situation and actually consider what things appeared from an ICly perspective from a non-RL functionary. I might bother responding to your posts in the future.

 

[Eviction Notice]

I am, but I have it muted

I knew that a funeral was going to happen, I just forgot about it, and honestly didn’t expect it to take place out in the open

Just to correct a possible missconception: the funeral took place within the bunker, not out in the open.

 

[bilack]

I have asked if the funeral was held outside, I haven't received a response, but IF (and correct me if I'm wrong) it was initially held outside, then I think it's fair game that the Combine opened fire. After all, it was outside, the risk of holding a funeral in the middle of a warzone should be known to the funeral-goers.

 

[bilack]

Just to correct a possible missconception: the funeral took place within the bunker, not out in the open.

How was it interrupted if it was held inside though? Was the bunker raided, or what?

 

[Deleted member 7576]

Just to correct a possible missconception: the funeral took place within the bunker, not out in the open.

It was originally out in the open or at least some warmup, I got a personal /help about the funeral moments after a group was fired upon

 

['77 East]

There was only one Rank Leader that undermined the Armistice. They shot from a rifle at a Vortigaunt, abandoned the rifle at the scene of the incident surrounded with witnesses, and the investigation concluded quite promptly since no one bothered to investigate it themselves with the exception of @Syntax.

So the two others (@Simman102 and @Ron) didn't lie & cover for him point blank to us when we inquired about it, didn't threaten us repeatedly, and mention that an investigation would be fatal to us?

There was an OSC investigation right from the very minute lead by @Toriwarior30055, also involving myself, @Appetite Ruining Kebab, @PeaceAndMagick89, @Lewis! and others. You just never saw it and after the coup shitshow publicizing how we got evidence was the last thing we wanted to do considering the possibility of more lone shooters.

No need to cry over spilt milk because the support of the Council was so low, that no one actually cared or bothered to deal the transgressors that crossed their plans. There were seven people that were involved in the plot, the two of which were Rank Leaders, and a handful of which were bystanders. No one bothered to even interrogate us about the matter.

Because hanging everyone was detrimental to the whole thing of keeping numbers in the garrison, we only wanted the ringleaders and by that point had enough to know who was who.

Not true. The only people that communicated with cops directly were @Pyromaniac and @Keller's characters. I might be missing one or two Councillors who interacted with the garrison, but I forgot their usernames.

Yeah, you're missing me and @Appetite Ruining Kebab.

We went there multiple times to sort shit out and faced the aforementioned above.

Just because you talk to a singular character in-character from the faction does not mean the message will echo properly - especially since their intentions and ideas might contradict your intentions and ideas.

That's true, but when we repeatedly stated that the orders were to be followed by everyone, and while they obviously couldn't tell everything about it to others, still were under the obligation to inform the rank and file that the armistice had it's own reasons for existing beyond buying time.

None of that happened. The only reason I bring it up is because people have continued to claim over the months that it was nothing more than "appeasing the insurgency" - like, you seriously think the transhuman commanders would personally sign off on it if that's why we implemented it?

Awesome. This is the first time I am hearing about it. Much like how it was surprising to hear about the secret hidden transhumanisation facility underneath the Unity Building that has been infested for the majority of the map. The only message hinting of such facility being the most obscure message within #cp-alerts that was pushed away by other messages.

Again, RL's failed to do their jobs in keeping people in the loop.

The group was not even led by DEFENDER-6 (the one that shot the Vortigaunt). It was led by DEFENDER-1.

I make no distinctions when both were there and both were involved in the earlier conspiracy; 6 lead the charge and became the poster boy for it with his death.

It was not even premeditated either.

It might seem that way to you, but several days of threats, stonewalling, lies and collusion to undermine our position speaks otherwise, even if they were separate incidents coincidentally involving the same ringleaders that encouraged it to happen.

We just happened to gather around in front of the Palace and became rowdy from our own discontent with the Council. DEFENDER-1 simply took advantage of the situation and gave the order to follow him. DEFENDER-6 was a mere participant.

A participant who gives orders assumes command, again, threatening @PeaceAndMagick89 and other councilors during the situation does not mean he was simply some tourist who got swept up in it.

Coincidentally, a few hours before we had agreed to hang him for his armistice violation. Which made it a bit more interesting to flag on and see his ashes laying outside our offices.

Once you quit focusing on the OOCly aspect of the situation and actually consider what things appeared from an ICly perspective from a non-RL functionary. I might bother responding to your posts in the future.

Read the thread's title, Redman.

I don't care how the common beatcop saw things from their character's perspective in the streets, I care about the continued justification for RL's deliberately undermining the faction, their pretend excuses for clear bucking of orders, faction standards and their own responsibilities.

Going "but the armistice was appeasement!!!" is wrong.
They knew it was wrong. They were all informed.