The Current State of Civil Protection: A Critique

[Deleted member 38]

i been holdin this opinion in privately because i knew it'd cause a fuckin immediate string of dumb ratings but im gonna say it anyway

i dont think the combine faction should've been comprised of characters & players. yes yes you can just say "oh look subeh's going on another trp tangent again!" and yeah i am because it could've worked so well here

by making the two main factions comprised of players & characters, you immediately up the stakes and immediately make it competitive by nature. if the combine side had of been made up entirely of event characters played by players, staff for the bigger stuff etc and more or less handled a lot like skynet on trp was, then you immediately eliminate any sense of competitiveness

assuming, of course, the people running the combine faction aren't competitive asshats themselves

ofc there's the argument of 'well maybe rebels should've been the event faction!'

no

combine are bad guys. most people dont wanna play combine.

 

[Trains]

cake the problem is the people doing this are not roleplaying, it's not a plot device to unravel some rp

at best you get some look and they run off screaming on comms about how they're going to form an immediate PT to kill something

no they're reading out the /me in vc, laughing, and then bhopping off while making some weird vaguely gmod related joke

 

[MaXenzie]

i been holdin this opinion in privately because i knew it'd cause a fuckin immediate string of dumb ratings but im gonna say it anyway

i dont think the combine faction should've been comprised of characters & players. yes yes you can just say "oh look subeh's going on another trp tangent again!" and yeah i am because it could've worked so well here

by making the two main factions comprised of players & characters, you immediately up the stakes and immediately make it competitive by nature. if the combine side had of been made up entirely of event characters played by players, staff for the bigger stuff etc and more or less handled a lot like skynet on trp was, then you immediately eliminate any sense of competitiveness

assuming, of course, the people running the combine faction aren't competitive asshats themselves

ofc there's the argument of 'well maybe rebels should've been the event faction!'

no

combine are bad guys. most people dont wanna play combine.

this is really an issue of "bed made, now lay"

having 2 ontologically opposing factions is just inherently going to cause competition, schisms, and arguments

but now that the server caters to people who want to play the combine, it's impossible to remove that ability without cutting a huge swathe of players out from the server

 

[Deleted member 38]

this is really an issue of "bed made, now lay"

having 2 ontologically opposing factions is just inherently going to cause competition, schisms, and arguments

but now that the server caters to people who want to play the combine, it's impossible to remove that ability without cutting a huge swathe of players out from the server

yeah no dont get me wrong im not suggesting it now

its impossible now

either u have that from the start or u dont have it at all

 

['77 East]

combine are bad guys. most people dont wanna play combine.

some of the thrill in the faction was trying to keep your humanity while knowing deep down how fucked everything is and that most of your colleagues are murdering arseholes who get off on kicking people

I climbed the ranks and never killed anyone, for real, probably the first person to make it to 75% who never killed another person

 

[Deleted member 38]

some of the thrill in the faction was trying to keep your humanity while knowing deep down how fucked everything is and that your colleagues are murdering arseholes who get off on kicking people

I climbed the ranks and never killed anyone, for real, probably the first person to make it to 75% who never killed another person

oh yeah im sure there's a lot of good rp to be had but

in my mind i'd rather chop off a potential section of playerbase from the beginning as opposed to dealing with this competitive shitfest

 

['77 East]

in my mind i'd rather chop off a potential section of playerbase from the beginning as opposed to dealing with this competitive shitfest

all you need to do is chop off the RL section and let OTA give the orders only when absolute necessary

let civpro be anarchy

 

[Mute]

I climbed the ranks and never killed anyone, for real, probably the first person to make it to 75% who never killed another person

already did that in clockwork (not due to any moral dilemma i am just a shit shot)

 

[Rabid]

Ngl I think its the fact most people don't want to play the other side that causes more than a few of the issues.

Its piss-easy to stereotype a group of players when you've never touched their side of the server or have very limited experience with it. There are some die-hard cops who've never had a rebel and there's a lot of rebels who've never touched anything Combine related.

Also as for the 'Combine should have been an NPC faction' - maybe, yeah, but tbh even SkyNET in TRP had its issues with people bitching. You may not have characters to worry about in SkyNet but you're responsible for being a powerful antagonist and getting pushed into being anything other than that causes just as much salt on both sides.

The number of times Techcomm lost an engagement because SkyNET were meant to be powerful and shit the fucking bed was unreal lol. Literally every other engagement. If it wasn't "That Drone player P2W'd me!!!" it was "Why are the staff team making them OP!!!".

Sadly I don't see Neb's playerbase having done anything different if you swapped it for Rebels vs Staff-controlled Combine.

 

[Merlinsclaw]

Tbh it just feels like some of the rank leaders are bad apples. they set a major example and I think, as a result, this iteration suffers from alot of new players just making default cops.

I don't want, as Mute put it, Sterilized Credit stare cops. I'd like something different but personally it just seems like the only RLs getting ascended are the mega cringe ones

 

[pimley]

sound big trouble me no read me no understand

 

[Ond]

i been holdin this opinion in privately because i knew it'd cause a fuckin immediate string of dumb ratings but im gonna say it anyway

i dont think the combine faction should've been comprised of characters & players. yes yes you can just say "oh look subeh's going on another trp tangent again!" and yeah i am because it could've worked so well here

by making the two main factions comprised of players & characters, you immediately up the stakes and immediately make it competitive by nature. if the combine side had of been made up entirely of event characters played by players, staff for the bigger stuff etc and more or less handled a lot like skynet on trp was, then you immediately eliminate any sense of competitiveness

assuming, of course, the people running the combine faction aren't competitive asshats themselves

ofc there's the argument of 'well maybe rebels should've been the event faction!'

no

combine are bad guys. most people dont wanna play combine.

I literally said to only have one side in a setting like this, and have the other be event apperances/staff controlled MONTHS ago if not a year or two lol


Its beyond me how people won’t expect the same problems to be existing when they put the same people in charge 🤷

 

[Maytree]

I think the current valuable solution to treat Civil Protection is to let the SAs/Director(s) handle the RLs' OOC and IC toxicity and incompetency.

The entire staff team is currently too occupied with concluding the current map's storyline and adding new stuff for the next switch. The thread admittedly went heated in several places; however, I still agree with alot of the people speaking out against the current state that the Civil Protection/Combine Remnants are in right now. We definitely need replace the current Headcops with level-heated and competent people, if they don't change their ways.

I hope things will get better.

 

[Tinbe]

Ngl I think its the fact most people don't want to play the other side that causes more than a few of the issues.

Its piss-easy to stereotype a group of players when you've never touched their side of the server or have very limited experience with it. There are some die-hard cops who've never had a rebel and there's a lot of rebels who've never touched anything Combine related.

It's one part of the problem, but to be honest, having that two-sided experience can sometimes reinforce your preconceived attitude.

I had a cop through four maps, but because he was my "secondary" character, it meant that I was even more shit out of luck than a Combine main.

Apocalypse, pretty fun. Not too much s2k (mainly because I saw most of it on vort), and RP was had.
Asheville, pretty fun too. Very similar to Apocalypse, but even more RP, somehow.
Metro, things started to grind down. Not much happened on cop, and the stress involving my vort's capture and death meant I spent a big chunk of map on LOA.

C24, the twilight map. I heard constant criticism of rebels being hyperactive in city side, I saw literally none of it until the end. Cop char was so traumatized at this point that RP became difficult as time went on, and I put him into a situation where he'd get PK, so I can have a sendoff for the character before resigning from the faction.

And I was stuck at 50 pretty much since the start of Asheville. I felt proud initially at the promotion until I learned 25 is such a low bar to clear that it was just to confirm I wasn't a glue eater or something. That made me realize over consecutive maps that being part of a firm ranking structure with high standards meant it stung my already nonexistent self-confidence too much to continue in Civil Protection any longer.

 

[Hunk]

To be honest, violations of the Armistice werent even that big of a deal.

It provided roleplay and drama to the plot.

No Armistice in human history has ever been fully peaceful. It's a war.

 

[Hunk]

And I was stuck at 50 pretty much since the start of Asheville. I felt proud initially at the promotion until I learned 25 is such a low bar to clear that it was just to confirm I wasn't a glue eater or something. That made me realize over consecutive maps that being part of a firm ranking structure with high standards meant it stung my already nonexistent self-confidence too much to continue in Civil Protection any longer.

I literally just walked up to a RL and told him "Promote me to 75, I have been here since Azov" and he did.

 

[FreeSpy]

I literally just walked up to a RL and told him "Promote me to 75, I have been here since Azov" and he did.

depends on the rank leaders

one will promote another won't and the third one might demote

 

[Alexander The Great]

depends on the rank leaders

one will promote another won't and the third one might demote

how lovely that humanity is so dynamic

 

[Flop]

depends on the rank leaders

one will promote another won't and the third one might demote

The Rank Leaders paradox

 

[Merlinsclaw]

I literally just walked up to a RL and told him "Promote me to 75, I have been here since Azov" and he did.

Got 50 on azov, been a 50 ever since