The Current State of Civil Protection: A Critique

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such is the feeling when things continue for a long time, ive always found people grow accustomed and overly familiar with a setting, a server, its mechanics, etc. then a culture sets in

this is why i pivoted hard to things that existed for a short time, first at nebulous and then outside of it.

remember when you first played hl2rp? remember how interesting the world seemed? it was because we didn't know anyone and the world seemed mysterious and unknown, that fades and once it's gone it's not coming back without something different.
Imma tell you,
back then we were more young, more imaginative.
2013 - 2018, that's just pure teenage

the server was filled with such likeminded pretty much kids, that's why out of nothing it seemed like there was everything.
It was mysterious because we were in a state of mind that fitted that, especially kids find everything mysterious.
Once you grow up, our perspective and imagination dulls.
you can say we become more... adultrated when we became adults.

Despite having a richer schema now, with more features and fluidity, way richer staff with awesome imagination n narravtives, and many new gmod addons..............(schema????? THERE IS STILL NO EQUIPPABLE SUITCASE Helix bad)
some may still find modern hl2rp boring compared to past of 2013, while others love it to death.
But it's purely a state of mind.

but you can always bring that mood back,
it's just a mood.
 
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stop hl2rping in europe and japan

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Are we still complaining about RLs? I'm late to the thread but just wanted to share my 0.02.

I remember when the OG RL rank was i1, and they were no more special than the preceding ranks. It made sense from a lore perspective too, since Civil Protection was at the bottom of the Overwatch totem pole due to them being a poorly organized, rag tag force of bandits.

The original headcop who created the CP system we largely still use today played as an i3 and had no IC control over the faction on his character. But around like 2017-2019 it became obvious that headcops started changing the rank to use it as a way to exert OOC influence over the faction ICly. RLs suddenly began enjoying special privileges such as weapons separate from the rest of the force, the ability to give and take SC, and autonomy from dispatch. The rank also began to, and still does, suffer from an aspect of elitism where only prominent individuals from the community are accepted into the rank, and as a result enjoy a degree of OOC protection.

I'm aware in our lore dispatch is offline and that naturally leaves RLs to provide C2 functions, but in their current state they act too much like high command. And again, suffer from that elitism of having their own weapons, their own areas of the map (City 24 RL room), and the ability to bend the rules when they want to engage in blatantly reckless behavior like creating RL exclusive PTs, and ignoring the radio when it suits them. There's also the strange dichotomy between RLs and OTA where in certain situations RLs outrank certain soldiers.
 

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dichotomy between RLs and OTA where in certain situations RLs outrank certain soldiers.
It's very clear in the game that they don't give a single fuck about cops, throwing waves at you before you see the first Overwatch Solider so this did confuse me slightly.

Though I think the whole, gameplay over lore comes into play given no disptach but I don't disagree with anything you've said.
 
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stop hl2rping in europe and japan

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Waiting for HL2RP Set in South America or somewhere tropical/pacific islands or even Africa/Middle east as a permanent setting

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, Instead of brutalist concrete jungles. A desert oasis taken by the combine and fitted to serve the new destiny of humanity somewhere in the scorching hot deserts of africa or arabia a land shrouded in mystery of many lost empires had failed to do what the combine succeeded.

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Or a lush tropical jungle overgrown with both old-world fauna and fighting with xenian fauna and experienced well armed guerillas fighting in hot humid tropical jungles for as far back as before the occupation.

Problem is that we either don't have maps like that currently or enough people haven't tried setting something like that in stone, Using City 17 Industrial or City 24 and just saying "Hey this is Algeria" or City 8 or Terminal 6 and adding jungle props around and saying it's mumbai india aren't going to be believable or work well in the long term.

I'm tired of the same old plotline of "The rebels are in Eastern europe fighting the combine and sometimes find or have soviet bloc equipment and every 4th character is a soviet/slavic caricature, I want to see a storyline where we're in the pacific south-east asia for example maybe embedded with a group of maoist / indian or Cambodian rebels who were trying prior to the seven hour war to topple their governments and now are united or atleast in an uneasy alliance with the "Resistance" In their long struggle to victory, I want a story where the rebels we see go from being gangs to disorganized militia to something resembling a standing army that actually works together.

TL:DR
-Setting. Do something new I.e South-East Asia/Pacific/South America/Africa/Middle-east.
-Characters Less of the same cookie-cutter Americans/Russians.
-Drama/events Nebulous does political intrigue Very very well so perhaps play to things like that? Maybe have political organized untrained loyalist militias battling out with Farc rebels in Colombia, Or Mujahedeen/tribals in north africa/afghanistan embroiled in a brutal fight for survival following earths capitulation and they need to figure a plan out on how to combat this new foreign threat that makes the soviets look like a walk in the park. Or perhaps in combine occupied Saudi arabia we see a prince who is using his new-found army "gifted" to him by the combine to maintain control and there are elements to de-stabilize this.

(Idk I'm tired)
 
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Alplands El Dorado was a good time, south america is a perfectly feasible setting. plenty of scope to come up with stuff, to name a few we had:

- lithium triangle
- the shining path / peru as a nuclear power [USS Rhode Island Incident, Galapagos Incident]
- the de reyes junta and uncle carlo
- vercamo military base
- bolivian occupation
- third chilean republic
- stalker rehabilitation clinic
- TMZ and the irish-argentinian pub
- Overworld portal in the andes mountains

the forum appears to have been taken offline but south america was a great setting but required a bit of research and a bit of commitment to the tone that would be much harder to pull off at-scale and over the period of a month or so, el dorado had a cast of 16 and ran for 1 week

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there was a ton of memes made but the section has been privated, someone who played may have more
 

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the forum appears to have been taken offline but south america was a great setting
it's a shame we lost a bunch of alplands / alplands 2 memes when anthology got wiped

I had some but they are also hidden away in the previous iteration subforum (bring it back!!!)
 
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Was initially going to post onto my resignation thread on the staff subforum, but the forum role removal was quicker than usual.

The Discord RL Chat is a toxic sludgefest of sour, sardonic complaining and circlejerking. I was met with our faction leadership attempting to accuse me shooting-to-miss the mortar as pinpoint accuracy, and as I attempted to clarify I was shrugged off with replies trying to bait me into descending into snarkiness, which isn't unusual at all anytime someone breaks with the majority opinion there. I S2M, but I try to keep things close enough to where a bad move could put you in the line of fire. People blamed me for their own movements. This is apart of a greater issue where people, especially CP leadership and Combine mains, can't at all internalize defeat or failure and need to find an external source to lay blame onto.

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Though I've refrained from naming names, I will do so now.

This piece was made by Brandon and sent to me during a tense discussion on the topic of OSC a week or two ago. This is the type of stuff I've dealt with behind the scenes for some time now from certain majority elements in CMB leadership that has culminated in my resignation.

Accusations of hacking culminating in a player's ban with little-to-no-evidence from people still sour and simmering from losing an S2K battle with characters that do not actually LOSE anything (weapons, ammo, etc.) and are NLR'd afterwards only to complain that an event faction designed to serve a critical plot and map function which has been stressed as heavily fortified and nigh-impenetrable has, well, plot armor is... inane.

The shitmongering in OP chat after the incident wasn't fun, and, as usual, RL-chat became the echo chamber of OOC ressentiment. I enter, I explain that the mortar was S2M'd entirely, and I am shot down by people who are angry for having carelessly ran into its line of fire. Who is most incessant with this narrative? Ovxy, who deflects and taunts me.

For the past few weeks any time I engaged with RL-chat I was met with shit behavior and constant disrespect. I do not resign because the server has become more 'S2K oriented.' I resign because S2K has become the justification of a culture breeding shit behavior, unaccountability, and blatant disrespect, sometimes under the guise of banter, other times with no guise at all. I have taken the utmost care to attempt to approach things cautiously and carefully only for haughty midwits better suited for the role of Hauptmann on 1942RP to arise from the woodworks and lambast me and those of my disposition at every turn. Some of us are saints, others, like me, are not, and often struggle not to respond in turn. I am not the first to resign because of this behavior. I won't be the last.

This is quite possibly the best iteration of HL2RP on Nebulous by a long shot. I'm proud to have contributed to it, I'm proud to be thought of fondly by a lot of people here, and it's hard for me to internalize not being apart of it anymore. As much as I would like to remain in the loop, on principle I cannot until attitudes change. I do not encourage nor seek to perpetuate a feeling of hopelessness, this iteration is far from being in damning crisis, but it's on track to be in one unless something changes. Read in-between the lines. Figure something out. Don't let sentiments remain sentiments. DO SOMETHING.
 

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RL-chat became the echo chamber of OOC ressentiment
Who is most incessant with this narrative? Ovxy
For the past few weeks any time I engaged with RL-chat I was met with shit behavior and constant disrespect.
culture breeding shit behavior, unaccountability, and blatant disrespect

Hey @sky you told me one to one that anyone doing that kind of shit was going to get thrown out, here's your chance to prove it.

No bullshit about temporary suspensions, no explanation about 'readjusting mindsets', flat out strip them down to the grunt level and if they don't improve ban them entirely from the faction. It's been eight map changes and this shit has. not. changed. since day one.
 
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Was initially going to post onto my resignation thread on the staff subforum, but the forum role removal was quicker than usual.

The Discord RL Chat is a toxic sludgefest of sour, sardonic complaining and circlejerking. I was met with our faction leadership attempting to accuse me shooting-to-miss the mortar as pinpoint accuracy, and as I attempted to clarify I was shrugged off with replies trying to bait me into descending into snarkiness, which isn't unusual at all anytime someone breaks with the majority opinion there. I S2M, but I try to keep things close enough to where a bad move could put you in the line of fire. People blamed me for their own movements. This is apart of a greater issue where people, especially CP leadership and Combine mains, can't at all internalize defeat or failure and need to find an external source to lay blame onto.

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Though I've refrained from naming names, I will do so now.

This piece was made by Brandon and sent to me during a tense discussion on the topic of OSC a week or two ago. This is the type of stuff I've dealt with behind the scenes for some time now from certain majority elements in CMB leadership that has culminated in my resignation.

Accusations of hacking culminating in a player's ban with little-to-no-evidence from people still sour and simmering from losing an S2K battle with characters that do not actually LOSE anything (weapons, ammo, etc.) and are NLR'd afterwards only to complain that an event faction designed to serve a critical plot and map function which has been stressed as heavily fortified and nigh-impenetrable has, well, plot armor is... inane.

The shitmongering in OP chat after the incident wasn't fun, and, as usual, RL-chat became the echo chamber of OOC ressentiment. I enter, I explain that the mortar was S2M'd entirely, and I am shot down by people who are angry for having carelessly ran into its line of fire. Who is most incessant with this narrative? Ovxy, who deflects and taunts me.

For the past few weeks any time I engaged with RL-chat I was met with shit behavior and constant disrespect. I do not resign because the server has become more 'S2K oriented.' I resign because S2K has become the justification of a culture breeding shit behavior, unaccountability, and blatant disrespect, sometimes under the guise of banter, other times with no guise at all. I have taken the utmost care to attempt to approach things cautiously and carefully only for haughty midwits better suited for the role of Hauptmann on 1942RP to arise from the woodworks and lambast me and those of my disposition at every turn. Some of us are saints, others, like me, are not, and often struggle not to respond in turn. I am not the first to resign because of this behavior. I won't be the last.

This is quite possibly the best iteration of HL2RP on Nebulous by a long shot. I'm proud to have contributed to it, I'm proud to be thought of fondly by a lot of people here, and it's hard for me to internalize not being apart of it anymore. As much as I would like to remain in the loop, on principle I cannot until attitudes change. I do not encourage nor seek to perpetuate a feeling of hopelessness, this iteration is far from being in damning crisis, but it's on track to be in one unless something changes. Read in-between the lines. Figure something out. Don't let sentiments remain sentiments. DO SOMETHING.
i called out shit rebel behavior before, now time to call out shit combine behavior

judging by the comments I've seen in the RL chat, this is true and somewhat recurring whenever there's an inconvenience needing to be dealt with

let me give you an example of what "sardonic comment" means before readers get the wrong interpretation for it, but it's petty to have to mediate in the first place


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"nice _____ you have there" a la "nice rdm lol xd"
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yeah we get it we swapped maps 4 days ago, of course there's going to be something wrong with the "setup" of the server, but this behavior makes having to do changes at all, in bad faith. not gonna deny that the emergent faction needs changes, but also can't exactly do changes to the emergent faction if the behavior motivating those changes is this pathetic bitchy shit (over relatively inconsequential occurrences) instead of just a mentally stable request thru DMs

want to see what the chat has to say about this behavior
 

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is this pathetic bitchy shit
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half your staff are so flat out fucking disgusted about this crap they're talking to me because no one else will listen

I don't know what headstaff or yourself are doing in the background but holy shit please do something because everyone's acting like the problems have immunity, and given they have kept their positions for so long for so much fucked up, it's hard to doubt that perspective.
 

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half your staff are so flat out fucking disgusted about this crap they're talking to me because no one else will listen

I don't know what headstaff or yourself are doing in the background but holy shit please do something because everyone's acting like the problems have immunity, and given they have kept their positions for so long for so much fucked up, it's hard to doubt that perspective.
not sure what this was meant to add to the conversation, would prefer to wait until the people being called out respond, sine we're naming names here
 
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i called out shit rebel behavior before, now time to call out shit combine behavior

judging by the comments I've seen in the RL chat, this is true and somewhat recurring whenever there's an inconvenience needing to be dealt with

let me give you an example of what "sardonic comment" means before readers get the wrong interpretation for it, but it's petty to have to mediate in the first place


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"nice _____ you have there" a la "nice rdm lol xd"
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yeah we get it we swapped maps 4 days ago, of course there's going to be something wrong with the "setup" of the server, but this behavior makes having to do changes at all, in bad faith. not gonna deny that the emergent faction needs changes, but also can't exactly do changes to the emergent faction if the behavior motivating those changes is this pathetic bitchy shit (over relatively inconsequential occurrences) instead of just a mentally stable request thru DMs

want to see what the chat has to say about this behavior
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this one is good too, i even tried to elaborate on each point brought up here only to get shut down.

"we're an event faction tailored to serve a map-critical function that has constantly been stressed as a challenge to take on"
"ur an adminge faction"

"the entity guns in questions (ar2s) are only dished out to leadership and are entities because... we dont want some random picking them up?"
there was literally only one dude (ARK) participating with said ar2 because i was in observer using the mortar while it was ICly being powered and refused to enter back into combat as i believed i'd have an unfair advantage having seen the positions of ppl
"i am campaigning to get ent guns removed from emergents now"

"cops were welcome to enter the village to trade today, your patrol was ambushed because we have written specifically in-lore that our technofetishist faction jumps on combine patrols to get their tech, today they gave an opportunity to do so via passive"
"faction announcement: anyone engaging with the emergent society other than attacking them will be deserviced."

as numbers said, growing pains come with every map change, but blatantly casting aside any semblance of rationality and strawmanning what the faction actually does isn't gonna do shit.
 
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this is from the emergent player who was banned for hacking (do we even have solid evidence of this?) after sniping two transhumans thru smoke, which has been done before. i say innocent until proven guilty. he doesnt wanna appeal because i brought him on and with my resignation he doesnt feel obliged to stay. if he hacked, he hacked, i eat my own hat. but... what precedent are we trying to set here?

it really shows how focused on s2k you guys are you blew up an engagement into an investigation, a permaban, and discord debate - instead of taking the thirty second timer and restocking at the armory
 

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I'm all one for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but 99% of people who use any sort of hacks aren't pulling an Andy.B and going 6 vs 1 vs rebels in impossible ways. You are never going to to get ironclad proof outside of the rare occassions people do obvious shit or you entrap them into using their hacks (like the dude we once banned because he sniffed out an invisible gun hidden in a random corner of the map).

In this case you have a guy using a 6 shot entity sniper rifle with no reserve ammo and he kills two OTA with two headshots through smoke. Getting one lucky headshot through smoke out of six shots? Sure, maybe, as a fluke - its the sort of absolutely zany shit people laugh about on the forums. Getting two? That goes beyond credible and into "this shit is massively fishy" - best case he was sat outside of render distance for the smoke, worst case its the obvious, or he was just the luckiest person I've seen with a sniper.

Personally its not something I've seen anyone do in my entire time in the community on either side, and I don't think dismissing it because its some disliked 'Combine mains' who have the issue is the way to go.
 
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I'm all one for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but 99% of people who use any sort of hacks aren't pulling an Andy.B and going 6 vs 1 vs rebels in impossible ways. You are never going to to get ironclad proof outside of the rare occassions people do obvious shit or you entrap them into using their hacks (like the dude we once banned because he sniffed out an invisible gun hidden in a random corner of the map).

In this case you have a guy using a 6 shot entity sniper rifle with no reserve ammo and he kills two OTA with two headshots through smoke. Getting one lucky headshot through smoke out of six shots? Sure, maybe, as a fluke - its the sort of absolutely zany shit people laugh about on the forums. Getting two? That goes beyond credible and into "this shit is massively fishy" - best case he was sat outside of render distance for the smoke, worst case its the obvious, or he was just the luckiest person I've seen with a sniper.

Personally its not something I've seen anyone do in my entire time in the community on either side, and I don't think dismissing it because its some disliked 'Combine mains' who have the issue is the way to go.
numbers got shot through smoke on his ota iirc, theres precedent, and i doubt someone ive known for a while is going to lie flat to my face about hacking. anyway, not engaging with anything related to the cheating part. like, holy shit, thats not the main issue here. im fine with eating my hat if we do figure out he cheated. rabid, can you, maybe, focus on the other blatant disrespect and whatnot?
 
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