Suggestion Don't allow voice identification for criminal activity

[avralwobniar]

Having to change your voice gets straining. There's other means of identifying people like fingerprinting, style, vehicle choice, behavior and so on. I could change my entire outfit, wearing multiple layers of masks but someone will still immediately identify me as Rusty.

I don't want to change my voice to sound like a chipmunk or use a voice changer to have a chance at getting away with criminal activity.

 

[avralwobniar]

This might sound harsh, but I think you have no right to demand an entire OOCly rule because you find the in-character alternatives boring and annoying.


If the court decides to rule in your favour over such affairs, you are going to have a lot of criminals thanking you for it. Since it would set the precedent that would apply to all arrests going forward. Which would provide a lot of roleplay for the cops, the court system, and provide a historical point in justice system of the server. A piece of history that I know @alex wants to pursue.

I can assure you that nobody wants to deal with that but the cops, and only a few cops at that - the ones that are the catalyst for the suggestion

 

[RedMan]

I can assure you that nobody wants to deal with that but the cops, and only a few cops at that - the ones that are the catalyst for the suggestion

Would you like to name those cops? Disclosing them privately to me or the faction leaders will suffice.

 

[avralwobniar]

Would you like to name those cops? Disclosing them privately to me or the faction leaders will suffice.

No, because it'd be very rude to just namedrop a bunch of cops to anyone but the faction heads

All of the big names for crime have already went in support of this suggestion, other than demonelite. I don't really see what's holding the rule back from being implemented at this point

 

[MaXenzie]

All of the big names for crime have already went in support of this suggestion,

yeah like me

 

[Pyromaniac]

No, because it'd be very rude to just namedrop a bunch of cops to anyone but the faction heads

All of the big names for crime have already went in support of this suggestion, other than demonelite. I don't really see what's holding the rule back from being implemented at this point

"All the criminals think this should become legal"
"All the cops think this should become illegal"
"All the cops think that their cars should be buggati's with no loss of traction and every chase should end up with a caught suspect"
"All criminals think that this evidence shouldn't be valid"

Suggestions work with co-operative effort. Two sides to balance. Inevitably it is not you, me, small names or big names in any scene that decide changes or rules. It's the staff team running the server making the decision they think is best for what they want.

 

[MaXenzie]

"All the criminals think this should become legal"
"All the cops think this should become illegal"
"All the cops think that their cars should be buggati's with no loss of traction and every chase should end up with a caught suspect"
"All criminals think that this evidence shouldn't be valid"

Suggestions work with co-operative effort. Two sides to balance. Inevitably it is not you, me, small names or big names in any scene that decide changes or rules. It's the staff team running the server making the decision they think is best for what they want.

we also play cops tho

 

[avralwobniar]

"All the criminals think this should become legal"
"All the cops think this should become illegal"
"All the cops think that their cars should be buggati's with no loss of traction and every chase should end up with a caught suspect"
"All criminals think that this evidence shouldn't be valid"

Suggestions work with co-operative effort. Two sides to balance. Inevitably it is not you, me, small names or big names in any scene that decide changes or rules. It's the staff team running the server making the decision they think is best for what they want.

some cop players are saying that voice identification is the most insignificant part of their investigation but are also offering the biggest pushback in taking it away from them. there's not any good argument offered as to why it should stick around. criminals have expressed frustration with it existing, whereas cop mains saying they want to keep it haven't been on the receiving end yet. I also regularly play a cop so I dont see what you mean

 

[alex]

We're going to discuss whether a rule change is necessary or a guideline is more fitting later today.

 

[Pyromaniac]

we also play cops tho

So? My point is we present our opinions here. All sides of the argument. While the staff team may decide to treat it like a democracy where the "Most voted stance on a change wins" it's ultimately up to them to decide and "I don't see what's holding back this suggestion" is a comment completely ignoring that fact and those who counter the suggestion

Anyway, this discussion is steering away from the original point of the suggestion and I've said my piece in prior posts so I'll just return to having fun RPing/doing other stuff.

 

[Mic15000]

Personally, all I want is more ways to identify people, I want the HARD evidence to do real detective work! Right now we don't have a lot of it yet, but I'm sure with time more systems can be developed so that planning a crime takes time, and so does investigating it.

Having to wear gloves to avoid tracking or making sure evidence is cleaned from the scene, avoiding/destroying cameras. Not posting dumb ass things on social media that can be tracked. Making sure your calls are clear etc. (Depending on the crime ofc)

Just things that make investigating fun, as well as making doing a crime fun too. I will admit it is kinda hard ignoring someone's voice but I usually just say like "Hey you didn't do *BLANK* riiight?" jokingly and then just let them go saying "It must have been someone else."

Cause at the end of the day real evidence is fun and not only that, it's fair and gives people a chance!

 

[Pyromaniac]

Personally, all I want is more ways to identify people, I want the HARD evidence to do real detective work! Right now we don't have a lot of it yet, but I'm sure with time more systems can be developed so that planning a crime takes time, and so does investigating it.

Having to wear gloves to avoid tracking or making sure evidence is cleaned from the scene, avoiding/destroying cameras. Not posting dumb ass things on social media that can be tracked. Making sure your calls are clear etc. (Depending on the crime ofc)

Just things that make investigating fun, as well as making doing a crime fun too. I will admit it is kinda hard ignoring someone's voice but I usually just say like "Hey you didn't do *BLANK* riiight?" jokingly and then just let them go saying "It must have been someone else."

Cause at the end of the day real evidence is fun and not only that, it's fair and gives people a chance!

I'd be way more inclined to agree with this suggestion if we had more ways to identify people even if it took effort. Right now even with every piece of evidence except a name it's hard to prove guilt.