Suggestion Don't allow voice identification for criminal activity

[avralwobniar]

Having to change your voice gets straining. There's other means of identifying people like fingerprinting, style, vehicle choice, behavior and so on. I could change my entire outfit, wearing multiple layers of masks but someone will still immediately identify me as Rusty.

I don't want to change my voice to sound like a chipmunk or use a voice changer to have a chance at getting away with criminal activity.

 

[Mute]

I may have done it to you accidentally, sometimes you don't know someone else has another character but it's never meant in any harm; definitely worth just saying "nah you might be mistaking me for my cousin" and it gets the message across, at least to me that I fucked up

im gonna be honest i suck with voices and cant remember them for shit the only people i can distinctly recognize are neegan, the elvis looking bk worker/manager and the dutch sounding cop everyone else i lump into generic american or generic brit and tell them apart by clothes and face

we could have encountered eachother like 10 times and i still wouldnt notice cause i cant remember peoples voices lmao

 

[alex]

honestly i take hiding my char's identity pretty seriously so this rule would totally concern me

even then i'd rather the onus be on the person hiding rather than literally everyone else in the server to deal with the issue of the guy's voice

a rule that goes "everyone must do this" is far more invasive than just having the 1 relevant person lay in the bed they've made and lay low

i thought i had a warrant out for me, so i got a change of clothes, makeup, hair, etc
and knowing i couldn't do a voice, i just kept my chatter to a minimum

I'd agree with this but there's a major problem, people's microphones have distinct characteristics that make it so easy for people to immediately identify someone even with a high-effort voice.

 

[MaXenzie]

I'd agree with this but there's a major problem, people's microphones have distinct characteristics that make it so easy for people to immediately identify someone even with a high-effort voice.

honestly, i'd rather if people just evaded the police if they knew they were wanted, rather than banking on them "not recognizing" the guy who's likely public enemy #1 from several repeated attempted murders and car thefts, many of which are done to the people recognizing them

if you desperately dont want to be arrested, act in a manner that would not get you arrested
I'm not saying "dont commit crimes" but like

just keep your mouth shut? if you know you're wanted for major crimes, dont drive through los santos like a maniac and get caught for speeding

 

[avralwobniar]

I think you are forgetting the part where the majority of traffic stops involve the person recklessly evading the cops in a sports car that performs better than the average police cruiser. In the example I listed, the individual refused to take off their helmet in order to prove their identity before speeding off. It is not as simple as you would like to think.


Not really no. You can question and interrogate people, but for the most part, you cannot confirm their story due to lack of physical evidence, the lack of witnesees, or simply because they are known to be a compulsive liar. Physical evidence is also quite limited and it is incredibly difficult to link evidence to people without intruding on the liberties of an individual. It is not as simple as you aim to protray it.

I think you're approaching this from the viewpoint that police need to identify people involved with every crime, immediately. That simply won't be the case. Focus on crimes you have stronger evidence for. Unsolved cases can build up a profile of an individual that you can later use in identifying future crime. Match that to the behavior of an individual, and then you have someone you can treat as a suspect for future unsolved cases. It is as simple as I portray it.

 

[alex]

honestly, i'd rather if people just evaded the police if they knew they were wanted, rather than banking on them "not recognizing" the guy who's likely public enemy #1 from several repeated attempted murders and car thefts, many of which are done to the people recognizing them

if you desperately dont want to be arrested, act in a manner that would not get you arrested
I'm not saying "dont commit crimes" but like

just keep your mouth shut? if you know you're wanted for major crimes, dont drive through los santos like a maniac and get caught for speeding

I've been identified when using a super high pitch voice or even a voice changer. I think "keep your mouth shut" is good roleplay for anyone, I'd much prefer dialogue in an attempt to convince the other party it's not who they think than just say nothing entirely.

There's only so many changes of voice you can do, if any one of those voices you've used and been caught with can be remembered.. you're fucked.

 

[Deleted member 442]

honestly, i'd rather if people just evaded the police if they knew they were wanted, rather than banking on them "not recognizing" the guy who's likely public enemy #1 from several repeated attempted murders and car thefts, many of which are done to the people recognizing them

if you desperately dont want to be arrested, act in a manner that would not get you arrested
I'm not saying "dont commit crimes" but like

just keep your mouth shut? if you know you're wanted for major crimes, dont drive through los santos like a maniac and get caught for speeding

yeah tbh i'm with max here. the onus should be on the wanted person to conceal themselves, not expect the people around them to just ignore the fact that the masked up, helmeted person shares the same voice with a highly wanted criminal.

if people struggle to change their voice naturally, they could always just not speak around the police when they're wanted, download a free voice modulator like VoiceMod, or both.

 

[Blackquill]

honestly, i'd rather if people just evaded the police if they knew they were wanted, rather than banking on them "not recognizing" the guy who's likely public enemy #1 from several repeated attempted murders and car thefts, many of which are done to the people recognizing them

if you desperately dont want to be arrested, act in a manner that would not get you arrested
I'm not saying "dont commit crimes" but like

just keep your mouth shut? if you know you're wanted for major crimes, dont drive through los santos like a maniac and get caught for speeding

Thing is with people recognising voices you're limiting the amount of RP they can do if they are in that situation and let's not pretend this isn't a GTA RP server, crime is fucking everywhere and I don't necessarily think it's feasible to expect everyone to have the vocal chops to make themselves unrecognisable to that degree

Plus we've seen what characters who don't speak look like. They contribute nothing (Postal). The Clown is the exception to this, but they at least communicate.

 

[Blackquill]

if people struggle to change their voice naturally, they could always just not speak around the police when they're wanted, download a free voice modulator like VoiceMod, or both.

Voicemod isn't free, you have to pay if you want more than the crap free options p sure

 

[alex]

Voicemod isn't free, you have to pay if you want more than the crap free options p sure

Also I've been identified using Voicemod because the AI voices do not work very well with non-American accents.

 

[avralwobniar]

Not talking is not engaging in what the server is for, roleplay. Having to download a voice changer just to commit crime with a bit of safe padding seems like an odd gatekeeping sort of thing. You shouldn't need to do or use anything outside of what the server offers to enjoy your time playing

 

[Deleted member 442]

VoiceMod was just one example, voicemeter banana is another, some mics also have their own software (like blue yetis)

 

[MaXenzie]

I've been identified when using a super high pitch voice or even a voice changer. I think "keep your mouth shut" is good roleplay for anyone, I'd much prefer dialogue in an attempt to convince the other party it's not who they think than just say nothing entirely.

There's only so many changes of voice you can do, if any one of those voices you've used and been caught with can be remembered.. you're fucked.

i get that but like how would you ENFORCE that through rules like what the suggestion wants

"you are not allowed to recognise people solely from their voice" ?

honestly I've actually had better results from NOT masking up or hiding my identity, but instead just getting a brisk change of clothes and hair, because then people immediately go "oh its a different character" instead of assuming I'm on my main and trying to obscure who i am

hell i walked up to @Aether on Hayden after getting new clothes and going "hi my name is David" and he was completely none the wiser

 

[Mute]

Plus we've seen what characters who don't speak look like. They contribute nothing (Postal). The Clown is the exception to this, but they at least communicate.

difference is steady is an actual character that contributes to situations and postal is some guy who just goes around grinding mechanics

 

[Blackquill]

honestly I've actually had better results from NOT masking up or hiding my identity, but instead just getting a brisk change of clothes and hair, because then people immediately go "oh its a different character" instead of assuming I'm on my main and trying to obscure who i am

hell i walked up to @Aether on Hayden after getting new clothes and going "hi my name is David" and he was completely none the wiser

Yeah but imagine if Aether was a cop then went

"you sound like hayden, i'm suspicious and am gonna have you searched, fingerprinted" etc

It'd be kinda shitty tho

 

[Deleted member 442]

postal is some guy who just goes around grinding mechanics

can we please enforce rule #1 on him already.

 

[alex]

i get that but like how would you ENFORCE that through rules like what the suggestion wants

"you are not allowed to recognise people solely from their voice" ?

honestly I've actually had better results from NOT masking up or hiding my identity, but instead just getting a brisk change of clothes and hair, because then people immediately go "oh its a different character" instead of assuming I'm on my main and trying to obscure who i am

hell i walked up to @Aether on Hayden after getting new clothes and going "hi my name is David" and he was completely none the wiser

The enforcement is that a voice alone isn't enough to arrest or detain, I believe it's intended to mostly be "no face no case" but realistically that doesn't include collected evidence.

If the only alternative is to not engage in dialogue then that is not an option.

 

[MaXenzie]

Yeah but imagine if Aether was a cop then went

"you sound like hayden, i'm suspicious and am gonna have you searched, fingerprinted" etc

It'd be kinda shitty tho

i agree that no legal action should be taken solely from voice alone

no one should be able to instigate/start/begin an investigation of someone entirely because of their voice

but it's impossible to stop people going "you sound like x"

I'm a-okay with stopping the "I'm going to do this to you because you sound like someone"

 

[Mute]

i get that but like how would you ENFORCE that through rules like what the suggestion wants

"you are not allowed to recognise people solely from their voice" ?

its a thing on some servers im pretty sure and falls under VoiceID

there are things in our ruleset that you'd have a harder time explaining than this IE metagaming/powergaming compared to "you cannot identify a character on voice alone"

 

[avralwobniar]

i get that but like how would you ENFORCE that through rules like what the suggestion wants

"you are not allowed to recognise people solely from their voice" ?

honestly I've actually had better results from NOT masking up or hiding my identity, but instead just getting a brisk change of clothes and hair, because then people immediately go "oh its a different character" instead of assuming I'm on my main and trying to obscure who i am

hell i walked up to @Aether on Hayden after getting new clothes and going "hi my name is David" and he was completely none the wiser

I just expect people to be respectful. When I'm on my cop talking to @boots when he's on Silver Sun, the guy that robbed my character at gunpoint, I don't roleplay recognizing his voice that obviously matches the one that robbed me because he's never wore a similar outfit or mask to match ever again. I've never seen him hanging out with the other person that robbed me since either. There's nothing but a voice I can use to identify him, so I just don't.

Nowadays he always runs around in a burgershot or a dinosaur mask, wearing black, so it's easy enough to assume it's Silver before ever hearing his voice

as far as ENFORCING it goes, if you're unable to explain how you approached arresting someone through physical evidence that doesn't trace back to their voice, then it's pretty clear what you did

 

[alex]

but it's impossible to stop people going "you sound like x"

Yes, as civilians it's not a big issue because you can tell them it isn't but the consequence of police doing it is much more severe, especially if you're facing serious charges.

Would you want to do something major, that lands you with a big investigation and on-the-run roleplay only to have it end because someone used your voice characteristics to detain and arrest you? Even though you'd put a lot of effort into concealing yourself?